Delay/Reverb on Heavy Guitars and overall drum reverb.

Swill777

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Referencing 36 Crazyfists - Rest Inside The Flames. Wow, what an awesome CD, and an awesome mix/master. If you put a pair of phones on, you can really hear all the detail and just how great everything sounds. So, I was wondering... I know there are multiple guitar tracks, is everything stacked and panned hard L, and hard R? The guitars sound sick. Is there some kind of delay or reverb on the whole guitar bus... they just sound like they have a ton of "space" and not dry at all. That's one problem I'm having on my latest mix, the guitars just sound to dry, heavy, but dry... From reading on here, it seems like delaying the additional tracks like 25-30ms can help this out too. I was just really curious about guitar reverb on a mix like this.

Also, I can hear the gated reverb on the snare, but how much overall reverb do you guys think is on the drum kit.... obviously is sounds fantastic as well. I can also detect that a lot of the low frequencies were brought into the center of the recording, and the highs kinda pushed out. It sounds really good.

Any tips/advice/info would be greatly appreciated.. Someone one told me to try to pan the guitars slightly off of hard L and hard R... put a delay on them, then send just the delay wet signal to the opposite side of the guitar.. and pan it hard all the way. Does this sound like a technique that may have been used?
 
if its a typical Sneap mix, it's 4 guitar takes. Two are Panned Hard Left and Hard Right (100%), and two are panned 80% Left and Right. Having 4 different tracks really makes it sound thick...if you two 4 takes, there is no need to put a 25-30 millisecond delay on anything, and no reverb is necessary.
 
thanks for the info... if the guitars are panned like mentioned above, where do you think the overheads would be?
 
thanks for the tips guys. I am having a super tough time with guitars on the mix I am doing.. I will post a clip for comments tonight.

Also, I checked out the Sneap c4 settings, looks like every band but 65-281 is bypassed. And there is .3 gain in that 65-281 band. Looks like there is about 6db of gain reduction going on.. does that look about right?

Also, if I do this:
Main Guitar 1 --> Hard L
Main Guitar 2 --> Hard R
2nd Guitar 1 --> L80
2nd Guitar 2 --> R80

should I use the C4 (and eq settings) across the guitar buss, or on each individual channel.

guitar 1 is an esp eclipse (emg 81's) into a dual-rec, into mesa cab, sm57
guitar 2 is a esp II (with emgs also) into a diezel VH4 into a mesa cab, sm57
2nd guitar 1 is the esp clipse into the dual rec with a condenser mic
2nd guitar 2 is an schecter hellraiser into the diezel, into a peavey cab, condenser mic.
 
In the future you might want to think about using the least number of different guitars as possible to minimize any intonation issues between them.


If all the individual guitar tracks already sound how you want them then putting an EQ/Comp on the bus would save some cpu load and would be fine. But, if they don't already sound how you want you're probably going to have to process them all individually.