doing my best to acheive this kind of drums sound?

[aviel]

Hey guys,
i need your help to achevice nightwish kind drum sound, like here in the video below, at about 0:34.

i am using superior drummer, so i am limited to the room sound in therem but i have several expansion.i noticed that the hi-hats are very subtle.
i find that the overheads in superior are always really loud, dont know why.

anyway here it is:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTdhXxxWREo&feature=relmfu[/ame]


thanks!

 

[Kohugaly]

seems like they are sample replaced... and pultec-styled Low-shelf EQ on kick... maybe a lot of compression on OH...

 

[nw-productions]

seems like they are sample replaced... and pultec-styled Low-shelf EQ on kick... maybe a lot of compression on OH...

pultec style? whats this? found this: http://www.uaudio.com/store/equalizers/pultec-pro.html ) whats the difference to other eqs?

 

[Kohugaly]

pultec style? whats this? found this: http://www.uaudio.com/store/equalizers/pultec-pro.html ) whats the difference to other eqs?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlgBOKtIq3Y&feature=g-user-u[/ame]

 

[aviel]

but what about the huge ambient they have? the are really wide. but not reverbish

 

[Kohugaly]

That's obviously the way they were recorded = the way they naturally sound... only thing you can do there is finding similar samples

you can also try heavy room mic & OH compression (possibly M/S)... dont know if it helps - just an idea

 

[aviel]

do you mean to compress the sides and not the middle?

 

[Contra Studio]

Thanks for that great link for the Pultic

 

[Backe]

oh no, not that eurovision song contest crap! haha

but seriously, i'd assume that the kit was recorded in a fairly reflective room (hard surfaces, stone and wood) leading to great ambience on elements like the snare and toms. kick is def replaced 90-100% (maybe oneshot with original), snare and toms are replaced where needed (audible during some fills). a fair amount of the room mics where used in the final mix, which then went to either a half inch tape machine or tape plug. snare is def steel/alu, and toms sound maple with clear heads. kick doesn't really sound like it belongs so it's probably not an in-house sample.

 

[Leon--]

Sounds like an e-kit with Superior drummer as the module.The kick is very compressed.You need a big snare,really loud on the room mic of course

 

[aviel]

well what make me wonder is that while the room mic is loud, you dont get lot of hi hats and cymbals in the room, they to get a depth, but not being spilled.. i am not sure how this can bbe achieved naturally? i mean, yea, i can lower the level of the cymbals in the room track from superior, but i guess it will sound odd, unreall.

 

[luismars]

well what make me wonder is that while the room mic is loud, you dont get lot of hi hats and cymbals in the room, they to get a depth, but not being spilled.. i am not sure how this can bbe achieved naturally? i mean, yea, i can lower the level of the cymbals in the room track from superior, but i guess it will sound odd, unreall.

Well, you can track the shells first and then the cymbals