Drums, Drums, and more Drums... oh and some other stuff

[ryanojohn]

So this is from a drum tracking session, everything else is scratch... and it's an upright bass... I realize the floor tom and kick create a little clipping on the right side at the start, I've since cleaned that up... Overall though, comments, suggestions, everything is needed.

This is off the mics, no samples or anything...

http://ryanojohn.com/mp3/Last%20Rose Sample.mp3

this is with the new overdubbed guitar tracks:
http://ryanojohn.com/mp3/Allegiance Sample 2.mp3

and through the api comp:
http://ryanojohn.com/mp3/Trial Sample 2.mp3

 

[AudioPhile777]

Sounds pretty good... pretty damn good, I would say.

If everything else is scratch... record some good (great!) takes and bring it back here.

 

[ryanojohn]

and here's another snippet from the same session...
http://ryanojohn.com/mp3/Allegiance%20Sample.mp3

Guitars will be done on the 3rd... I'll surely post some more after those are done. Thanks much for the kind words! If you want to see a picture of the micing setup for the drums I've got one here, and I can give you a list of the gear if you're at all interested...

http://a580.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/69/l_9f7d8ab0f12e6a54f657ee37807c045b.jpg

 

[AudioPhile777]

yeah, throw up the gear list...

 

[ryanojohn]

Kick In-D6
Kick Out-Subkick
Snare Top D-SM57
Snare Top C-C451E
Snare Bottom-SM57
Toms Top-MD421
Toms Bottom-E604
Crashes-KM184
China-U87
HiHat/Ride-SM81
Overheads-KSM44
Room Mid-TLM49
Room Side-R121

Guitars-SM57
Bass-RE20

Distressor on the Kick
Transient Designer on the Toms and the Mid mic

a few stock PT plugins... I THINK that's all...lol

 

[Noumenon]

kick in, kick out??

EDIT: oh, nevermind. got it now. lol

 

[ryanojohn]

Short video clip here too if you SO desire lol...

http://ryanojohn.com/devilswalk.mov

Yea I'm sorry for my poor labeling... I almost just posted the gearlist as Ki-D6, Ko-Subkick, Sntd-57, Sntc-451E, etc...then I realized I had no idea if anyone would have any idea what I was talking about lol

 

[scorpio01169]

love it......you have the samekick drum set-up as me....d6 in, subkick out

 

[KeithRT99]

the second clip sounds better. i liked it when it came in, in the video.

 

[ryanojohn]

With new overdubbed guitar tracks:

http://ryanojohn.com/mp3/Allegiance%20Sample 2.mp3

mesa dual rec on the left
marshall superlead on the right
double tracked on each side.
dual 57's on each cab.

 

[AudioPhile777]

The left guitar channel clips a bit...

also... get rid of the parts where there isn't any playing (on the guitars) it'll clean it up much more... i can hear it all the way through...

Otherwise... FUCKING AWESOME!

Also, homebrew subkick or did you buy it?

 

[ryanojohn]

I haven't cleaned up any of the tracks yet, that's the next step... cutting out the silence and all... I'll check the left guitar, and clean that up too. Thanks man!

The subkick was a legit one... but it was actually really low in the mix, in all honesty I think they're good for kick, but not for metal kicks...lol I think they muddy things up pretty fast. My buddy has a homemade one that I actually like more than the real one... It might be the fact that it's not in a tight enclosure so there's more free movement of the speaker diaphragm... maybe

 

[AudioPhile777]

I've actually been thinking about making one... definitely isnt that hard... I just have to figure a couple things out... also, the size/type of speaker makes all the difference...

but yeah... I think they work great for metal kicks... I hate when kicks are all click and no Oomph.

 

[ryanojohn]

sooo I decided to punch it up a bit, and throw it through an api...
http://ryanojohn.com/mp3/Trial%20Sample 2.mp3

 

[AudioPhile777]

Still clipping hard on the left... right in the beginning... after that it seems ok... nope... at the end too... when the guitar is alone it seems that its clipping...

bring the snare up a tad and the mix sounds great otherwise.

 

[Rob Logic]

With new overdubbed guitar tracks:

http://ryanojohn.com/mp3/Allegiance Sample 2.mp3

mesa dual rec on the left
marshall superlead on the right
double tracked on each side.
dual 57's on each cab.

Maybe cause I just woke up but to me it sounds like there are tuning discrepancies between the two guitars. Maybe its one guy down picking his brains out at this part and driving a couple notes sharp at the attack.... just what I'm hearing. Ton of mics on that kit man. I would have a ball with all of those as I'm sure you did!!!

 

[ryanojohn]

I've actually been thinking about making one... definitely isnt that hard... I just have to figure a couple things out... also, the size/type of speaker makes all the difference...

I've heard that using car speakers works best, due mostly to their density... usually they're a pretty heavy cone, and rather rigid... haven't tried it myself yet though

 

[gumplunger]

I think you should trigger the toms with some samples that are pitched lower. Those toms sound a bit goofy to me in the context of the mix. Other than that, it sounds pretty darn good.

 

[ryanojohn]

Rob, you're right on the tuning issue, the fella had a guitar with frets that were so deep that he could put notes out of tune by just pressing harder...

Gumplunger, I so far had evaded using samples, and was hoping to stick to the real sounds rather than any sampling, but I do agree the toms are tuned pretty high considering the genre... I could try pitch-shifting the tracks and see how that turns out...

 

[gumplunger]

Gumplunger, I so far had evaded using samples, and was hoping to stick to the real sounds rather than any sampling, but I do agree the toms are tuned pretty high considering the genre... I could try pitch-shifting the tracks and see how that turns out...

Yeah it sounds like you guys did a pretty good job getting a full drum sound without samples aside from the toms. You might want to give those chimaira tom samples that andy posted a try in the mix and see how they work. I doubt anyone would notice that they're sampled, even if everything else in the kit sounds pretty natural.