Drums - SOS !

Tell us how you recorded the drums(mic setup) and how the kit sounded in the room, otherwise it is very hard to give usable/correct feedback. Nobody knows if you ruined the sound of a great kit or if you have poor equipment and did a respectable job....like that one dude here who had to record a whole drumset with one mic....:loco:
 
Here are the pics of the recording, theres every chance that I've done something too the sound, the engineer did a good job capturing the sound,


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ok everything sounds really really distant. the snare especially. I would try to get the kick a bit more clicky for some definition because it will def. get lost in the mix if it stays how it is. if u have any reverb or anything on it take it off. try using some compression on the toms and snare and eq out everything below 600 hz or around tehre on the overheads. mess around with the compressor on the toms and snare until you find the attack and crack your looking for. good luck, overall sounds pretty well captured but needs some good mixing.

jordan
 
Looks interesting. Did he explain why he set the kit up directly in front of a huge window? I know I've seen this done all over the place, but I've always wondered why.

I personally like to kind of 'skim' the skins of the floor toms with the mics... put them on more of an angle, to catch more of the attack. I think the fact that the engineer seemed to point away from the attack point really shows on your drum track there.

What's up with the OH mics there?

About the mix, you need to clean up the kick. Take out some of that flabbyness... cut a notch around 250Hz, or even lower. Boost the attack, it doesn't need to go *thump* for metal.. it needs to go *click*.

As the others have said, it all sounds really distant. Maybe ease up on the verb.

The toms need the flabbyness cut out and more attack boosted. I personally like using C4 on the toms to stop them getting out of hand. Mess around with compression on them and the snare until you find that snap you're after.
 
Moonlapse, I would guess that the whole window thing is just for the looks. Plus, a room will look much bigger just because of that wall of glass for you to peer outside through. I don't really think it would affect the sound too much, but then again, I'm no acoustic engineer but at the old studio I worked at we had an entire wall of glass between the tracking and control rooms and I never noticed anything wierd (sonically) about it. Also, the overhead mics, I'm almost 100% certain the engineer set that mic way up there like that on that side because instead of mic'ing things seperately, he used one mic per pair (or something to that effect) and one cymbal is louder than the other, so to compensate you raise the mic and move it closer to the quieter cymbal to try and balance out the levels. It's an old school trick I learned back in the day of recording our band's in the garage and only having 4 mics for the drums, heh. I'm sure it's widely used though, it's a common sense type of thing.

There is wayyyy too much verb on everything that has it. The kick is not tight at all, the snare is too far away in the perspective, the toms are way off...I mean, this all adds up to a typical every day amateur mix. This being your first time messing with drums, it's completely normal and understandable. No worries man, seriously. You can only get better from here on. Everything that the others suggested is right, you need to really get in there and try a ton of everything. Compression, eq'ing, band compression, gating, bla bla. I mean, seriously, even if you think something won't sound right....try it anyway. You seriously never know when something may or may not work, and, sometimes wierd things happen and what you thought would never work, just did. Also, you need to learn now that no two drumsets will ever sound alike. So, no matter what you learn from this project, you can only apply so much to the next one. Once you get so many mixes under your belt, you'll start hearing things in certain instruments and know right off the bat just where the general area is that you need/want to change. But that comes after tons of messing around and just experience in general.

Seriously, take any reverb off of the drums. Just do it for now, you can always put it back later. Try to get the drums to sound like you want eq wise before any effects are ever put on. Reverb should be the last thing you add to anything. Once the drums are sounding killer, then it's time to add that little icing on the cake.

~006
 
006 said:
Everything that the others suggested is right, you need to really get in there and try a ton of everything. Compression, eq'ing, band compression, gating, bla bla. I mean, seriously, even if you think something won't sound right....try it anyway. You seriously never know when something may or may not work, and, sometimes wierd things happen and what you thought would never work, just did.

QFT. I wound up using an autowah plugin on a snare once... it sounded great and now it's one of those things I try out of habit.
 
Hi !

Thanks all very much for the tips, will go back too the drawing board tonight and work away at it.

I put UAD-140 plate on the snare and 1176 compression on snare and Kick, will take on board everything above and experiement.

I'm atfer a "crack" in the snare and a tight "boom" in the kick, some tracks its hard too tell the difference between snare and kick, its just a preference too hear more of a boom in the kick.

The glass in the studio, not real sure why he has it that way, the ceiling quite high, it was captured at Bill Irvin studios in pearcedale, real nice guy with a load of experience.

I'll keep chipping away at it for another month and if it doesn't work by then, I'll be passing it onto a professional mixing engineer.

Thanks again all !