Emotion

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William James’ theory of emotion strikes me as quite interesting and worthy of discussion. What is first: :the physical effects of the emotion?-- or the mental feelings of the emotion? James thought the mental feelings of emotion were a response to the physical effects. Forgive me, but I will use an excerpt from a neuroscientist’s paper on William James, found on the ever venerable Wikipedia.org

From Joseph LeDoux's description of William James' Emotion [8]
Why do we run away if we notice that we are in danger? Because we are afraid of what will happen if we don't. This obvious (and incorrect) answer to a seemingly trivial question has been the central concern of a century-old debate about the nature of our emotions.

It all began in 1884 when William James published an article titled "What Is an Emotion?"[9] The article appeared in a philosophy journal called Mind, as there were no psychology journals yet. It was important, not because it definitively answered the question it raised, but because of the way in which James phrased his response. He conceived of an emotion in terms of a sequence of events that starts with the occurrence of an arousing stimulus {the sympathetic nervous system or the parasympathetic nervous system}; and ends with a passionate feeling, a conscious emotional experience. A major goal of emotion research is still to elucidate this stimulus-to-feeling sequence—to figure out what processes come between the stimulus and the feeling.

James set out to answer his question by asking another: do we run from a bear because we are afraid or are we afraid because we run? He proposed that the obvious answer, that we run because we are afraid, was wrong, and instead argued that we are afraid because we run:

Our natural way of thinking about... emotions is that the mental perception of some fact excites the mental affection called emotion, and that this latter state of mind gives rise to the bodily expression. My thesis on the contrary is that the bodily changes follow directly the PERCEPTION of the exciting fact, and that our feeling of the same changes as they occur is the emotion (called 'feeling' by Damasio).

The essence of James' proposal was simple. It was premised on the fact that emotions are often accompanied by bodily responses (racing heart, tight stomach, sweaty palms, tense muscles, and so on; sympathetic nervous system) and that we can sense what is going on inside our body much the same as we can sense what is going on in the outside world. According to James, emotions feel different from other states of mind because they have these bodily responses that give rise to internal sensations, and different emotions feel different from one another because they are accompanied by different bodily responses and sensations. For example, when we see James' bear, we run away. During this act of escape, the body goes through a physiological upheaval: blood pressure rises, heart rate increases, pupils dilate, palms sweat, muscles contract in certain ways (evolutionary, innate defense mechanisms). Other kinds of emotional situations will result in different bodily upheavals. In each case, the physiological responses return to the brain in the form of bodily sensations, and the unique pattern of sensory feedback gives each emotion its unique quality. Fear feels different from anger or love because it has a different physiological signature {the parasympathetic nervous system for love}. The mental aspect of emotion, the feeling, is a slave to its physiology, not vice versa: we do not tremble because we are afraid or cry because we feel sad; we are afraid because we tremble and are sad because we cry.
 
It is interesting, but doesn't make much sense to me to look at it that way. What would cause us to tremble, if it were not fear?

perception of outside stimulus - something - bodily reaction - fear
or simply, perception of outside stimulus - fear - bodily reaction
 
i'm too lazy to post my own thoughts on the subject. but, i do recommend you check out this link. its a 2012, east meets west, science meets cooky, philosiphy meets ideas thing, concerning kundalini. it studies goofy chakrah type shit, like emotion, and irrationally attatches its meaning to the raw physical body, which of course scientists only study. sweet!!!!

www.biologyofkundalini.com

whatever you do though, don't buy into this bullshit.
 
Yeah, that makes little sense to me either..
To use the example given, without the mental recognition of the danger a bear poses, what cause would there be for any physical reaction whatsoever.
The brain tells the rest of the body what to do at all times, not the other way around, it's also a very efficient piece of engineering, so it makes no sense for the brain to ready the body for flight BEFORE processing whether or not there is any danger.
 
i want to post more on this later. but, here's a thought

do you guys remember in elementary school when someone would laugh at a fart, and it would spread throughout the class almost instantly. the joke would be over, and everyone is still laughing. laughing at what...the fact that we're laughing? i guess putting on a fake smile can condition you to be happy...especially if you consciously do it.
 


Our natural way of thinking about... emotions is that the mental perception of some fact excites the mental affection called emotion, and that this latter state of mind gives rise to the bodily expression. My thesis on the contrary is that the bodily changes follow directly the PERCEPTION of the exciting fact, and that our feeling of the same changes as they occur is the emotion (called 'feeling' by
Damasio).

I find this confusing. So you're saying that perception comes first, and then bodily changes? Is this what the whole "run from the bear" question is about?

I always thought that emotions were how our conscious minds reacted to changes in local environment or due to discovering something new. I know that this may be quite a naive or basic perception but surely would a body not run from the bear because the bear represents a formidable force of muscle and claws rather than running because one is afraid of running??? :erk:

If you wrote your point (what point are you making by the way?) in a clearer way I might be able to understand. I have an inability to digest and tolerate massive blocks of text :p
 
I find the Schacter-Singer theory, along similar lines, more interesting and plausible - it basically states that an event occurs, and simultaneously our body responds with an ambiguous state of arousal as well as a cognitive interpretation of the event. The interpretation defines the emotion we feel, and the level of physical arousal defines it's intensity. Interesting studies have been done where the unwitting subject is put into a state of physiological arousal by a certain event, with another mundane event occurring simultaneously, and the subjects exhibit much stronger responses to the mundane event. An amusing example is the 'high bridge' experiment - an attractive female surveys males in the middle of a normal, stable and solid bridge, and then surveys males in the middle of a suspension bridge over a gorge. She leaves them her business card each time, and receives far more calls from the group surveyed on the suspension bridge... :)