ezdrummer hihat
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Nozzle
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I create a second VSTi of EZDrummer set to the stock rock/pop library.
The Zildjian 16" Crash Hats have the best open hat sound and the most natural sounding transition from closed to open, IMHO. The others have more of a half-open sound for their open hats- think Metallica here; they don't ring out at all.I think the DFH expansion is kinda dissapointing, actually, except for the cymbals. It sounds so thin even compared to the stock sample library.
Honestly the ROCK/POP library for EZD (IMHO) is way better than the DFH expansion. The DFH library is so thin in comparison...nothing but slap, no body to anything whatsoever. The cymbals though, like Exo said, are the best part about that expansion. I quite frequently will use the R/P kit for the actual drums and hats, and then use DFH for all of the cymbal work. Turns out a lot better. Plus the DFH expansion has a TON more cymbals to choose and use.
All that said, I typically end up replacing the drums with samples later on, the snare usually 50%, kick 100%, and toms 70%. Or sometimes I get pretty brave and bounce the drums to their own tracks and treat them like recorded ones. Gotta try everything
~e.a
All that said, I typically end up replacing the drums with samples later on, the snare usually 50%, kick 100%, and toms 70%. Or sometimes I get pretty brave and bounce the drums to their own tracks and treat them like recorded ones. Gotta try everything
~e.a
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Nozzle
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Honestly the ROCK/POP library for EZD (IMHO) is way better than the DFH expansion. The DFH library is so thin in comparison...nothing but slap, no body to anything whatsoever. The cymbals though, like Exo said, are the best part about that expansion. I quite frequently will use the R/P kit for the actual drums and hats, and then use DFH for all of the cymbal work. Turns out a lot better. Plus the DFH expansion has a TON more cymbals to choose and use.
All that said, I typically end up replacing the drums with samples later on, the snare usually 50%, kick 100%, and toms 70%. Or sometimes I get pretty brave and bounce the drums to their own tracks and treat them like recorded ones. Gotta try everything
~e.a
That's pretty much what I do. Though I'll use the Zildjian hats I mentioned in my earlier post, and sometimes I'll use one of the R/P rides for a less strident sounding ride cymbal for mellower stuff. I bounce all the drums to their own tracks, with stereo overheads (complete with bleed) and room, along with the bottom snare (complete with bleed from the kick and toms... I'm partial to more natural sounding kits.) and treat them like I would the real thing... including sample replacement to beef them up a lot of the time. I use Faderhead's Tama Starclassic samples alot, along with Ronnie_Rocker's snare collection. That's what I'm using on my current project, and it's sounding great. Much better than EZDrummer on its own, which is still several very large steps up from my old Boss DR770.
Torniojaws
They call me Juha
You add a second VSTi for it. But be careful, as you can create a project that you can't open anymore, especially in Cubase. One instance of Ezdrummer takes about 700 MB, so with two you have 1400 MB going just for Ezdrummer. Add to that anything else you use in the project + the DAW itself. It can lead to a point where everytime you open the project, the DAW simply locks up or crashes - or simply just be unusable because the system is constantly chugging with the page file and you cannot do anything in the project simply because it's so slow.
I probably don't need to remind you, but hard drives are (literally) a thousand times slower than RAM in general use. While memory latencies are calculated in nanoseconds and their throughput is closer to 10 GB/s, hard drive latencies are counted in ten milliseconds range and their practical throughput is 50 MB/s.
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Those figures didn't seem right to me, so I created a new session in Cubase, and two instances of EZDrummer to go along with it, one with the Rock/Pop library, the other with the DKFH expansion, and they're only using 512 MB total with both fully loaded. What's up with your system that yours are using up so much memory? Is is a Mac/PC thing? (I'm on a dual 2Ghz G5 with 2.5GB of RAM, for whatever that's worth...)
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Nozzle
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Yep. I copy the MIDI data to a new track and assign it whichever instance of EZD I want to use. If I'm being uber-anal, I'll have seperate MIDI tracks for kick, snare, left rack tom, right rack tom, etc. I'll break up the drums into seperate MIDI tracks like that before exporting to .wav, just to make sure nothing stupid happens, like getting tom hits in my hat track or something.
Mat Laperle
RedDuskStudio
hmmmm, why don't you just mute the midi channels you don't wanna use... by clicking on ''mute''.. like that you don't have to separate everything...
Torniojaws
They call me Juha
Well, I guess it depends on which parts you use for the kit. I think I had the following:
GMS2 Plastic
GMS Piccolo 13"
12"/14"/16" toms
16" Zildjian hihat
19" Sabian Medium thin crash 1
16" Sabian Ozone crash 2
22" Sabian handhammered ride
Or perhaps there's an update for EZD that allows you to use the loaded stuff in two different instances, instead of loading everything twice - even if they're the same pieces.
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Nozzle
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I just loaded up that exact kit on mine, and it's telling me I'm only using 254 MB...
So I guess you all program the drums to your liking, then copy them?
I'm too lazy for that. I want to be able to change one hit and it all works without any copying and such
I'm too lazy for that. I want to be able to change one hit and it all works without any copying and such
Torniojaws
They call me Juha
I just loaded up that exact kit on mine, and it's telling me I'm only using 254 MB...
Oh, you're just counting what Ezdrummer by itself uses, while I talked about how much the DAW uses while Ezdrummer is loaded
Then there's of course all the necessary plugins for EZD etc in the DAW to count along 
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Nozzle
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Oh, you're just counting what Ezdrummer by itself uses, while I talked about how much the DAW uses while Ezdrummer is loaded
That would 'splain it.
Honestly, I have no idea how much Cubase or PT is using on my system, but I'm definitely grateful for that 2.5 GB of RAM!
HeadCrusher
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you can load two instances and disaple anything that you don't need in the second one so it won't take up so much space. click on the little arrow under each drum/cymbal in the ezd main window and select "none".
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Nozzle
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That's phenominally simple, and I never thought of that. I'm an idiot.
I have all those DKFH samples loaded when all I'm using is a handful of cymbals...
HeadCrusher
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well, these are the tricks you learn if you have a really shitty computer! 
you should be glad that you had no need for them earlier! 
you should be glad that you had no need for them earlier!
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Nozzle
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well, these are the tricks you learn if you have a really shitty computer!
It's funny you say that, I've been meaning to see if I can get EZDrummer to work on the crusty old iBook in my jam room, but I've been too lazy to install it. It's got PTLE and Cubase on there, and not much else. It used to be my live synth player. There's actually a dent in the track pad from when my singer dropped her mic on it. (You can see the impressions from the mic grill and everything!)
