First Mic'd cab attempt, please help!

[DEFIED]

Hey guys,

This is my first attempt at micing a cab and I am trying to get the massively fat 5150 tones that you guys get. Can you please help me and give some tips, etc. on how to get a better tone? It is quad tracked with just a HP and LP filter on each. I know the drums sound like shit right now, but that will be taken care of later. Any help is appreciated, thanks!!

Link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11047252/Doomy Pre-Production-01.mp3
Updated Version: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11047252/Doomy Pre-Production 04.mp3

 

[dasbrootal]

bring up the bass guitar. that will help fill out the guitar's tone. otherwise, not bad at all for your first attempt with a real amp.

 

[oroinvictus]

Yeah, definitely bring up the bass track, and bring the bass up on the guitar tone itself.

 

[DEFIED]

Awesome, I will do that, thank you for the suggestions!

 

[DEFIED]

Ok, finally got a chance to mess with the bass a little more and also the guitar tone. I've been reading as much as I can from the whole forum, but it still sounds like ass! I can see why these tones are sometimes life long journeys Any more tips or criticisms would be great, on either the drums, guitar, or bass.

Thanks!!

https://my.syncplicity.com/share/pytcd3uxpz/Doomy_Pre-Production_03.mp3 (dropbox doesn't work at the office, sorry)

 

[fuge86]

awesome!

I like the guitar tone and snare especially!

 

[DEFIED]

Wow dude thanks! I'm surprised someone dug it. Still trying to get it better tho

 

[Dimaura]

Im hearing some kind of mid range clipping on the bass. The actual attack of the note has that "flup" sound to it.

Is there any kind of chorus on the guitar in the distortion parts? If not there may be some tuning or phase cancellation issues going on here. But, I cant really put my finger on it.

 

[drew_drummer]

Distorted guitars sound reaaaaally mono to me. How have you spread it in the stereo field?

 

[DEFIED]

Im hearing some kind of mid range clipping on the bass. The actual attack of the note has that "flup" sound to it.

Is there any kind of chorus on the guitar in the distortion parts? If not there may be some tuning or phase cancellation issues going on here. But, I cant really put my finger on it.

Yea the bass is really farty sounding, Ermz gave me some advice and I fixed the bass a bit. I also fixed the kick drum and made it a tad more bassy. I tried a new snare sound too, but I think its a bit much, and way too loud. I'll fix that tonight. There was no chorus on the original guitars either. Just a 57 half on cone and half on dustcap. But I was also playing around last night and reamped some scratch DI's i did, so the playing is a little sloppy. But here is the new version...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11047252/Doomy Pre-Production 04.mp3

Also, the distorted guitars are on mono audio tracks in Cubase, and are panned hard left and right. Should I make them Stereo tracks and then pan hard left and right?

Thanks for all of your guys' help!

 

[drew_drummer]

This latest version sounds much better in terms of the stereo field. There's no comparison really... your latest version is miles better than the previous one.

Now... on my setup... the kick could do with a bit less click and a bit more beef in the low-end... or bring up the bass guitar to fill that space. Guitars can afford some more lowpass treatment, where did you put it right now?

Snare seems panned to the left a bit - which is kind of distracting. Snare should be dead centre with the kick, imho.

 

[drew_drummer]

Cool song btw!

 

[DEFIED]

Great, thanks for your help man! All the guitars on that version are raw, no HP or LP, or EQ or anything. What do you like to use for HP or LP?

 

[drew_drummer]

Depends on the microphone+cab+amp really... but *broadly* speaking, I tend to LP at about 100hz with a -12db roll-off. The same again but at about 8-10khz depending on how bright I want a particular guitar part to be.

 

[greyskull]

snare sounds awful and is panned left.
pan center and use a good sample.

 

[DEFIED]

Ok cool I'll try that. Yea, I agree with you on that snare man, sounds like a really fucked up soup pot! lol.

 

[drew_drummer]

I quite like the snare though, has a unique fucked up character to it. It's blatantly not a slate snare, which I like.

 

[DEFIED]

Yea it is unique, but it needs to be tamed, its a little crazy and can get out of hand! lol.