dimmu borgir and cradle of filth A) arent even black metal really, and B) fucking rock. if you got old songs with bad production i could maybe see what you mean, but the 4 newest from each of them are good and have rather clear production. you should give them another chance maybe. or if you dont like keyboards dont bother.
-neal
Try Burzum's Det Som Engang Var, or for something a bit more accessible (you fucking pussy!), check out Dissection's brilliant Storm of the Lights Bane