The problem, one suspects, is that Gibson is faith-driven and Schrader is not. "I was raised as a Calvinist, which is doctrine driven," he says. "And though there are many things wrong with Calvinism, you are at least encouraged to argue about things. But once you get into a faith-driven belief system there's not much you can do. They can say to you, for instance, that women have three breasts. And even when you line up 100 women and show them that they only have two breasts, they still say that women have three breasts because they were told it in a dream. And there's nothing you can do about that."