Holy shit this is so loud

[kaomao]

Oh God finally I have find a way to get loud mixes with a tons of lowend !!!
check this: http://www.blacksandband.com/Stuff/Havok_Voice.MP3
Well I had this multitracks laying around I was bored and I did a mix test, I liked the song and especially the guitar tone was sick
it's an old track by holyhavok (from this forum).
Enjoy

 

[smy1]

So what's the trick?

Nice drumsounds, too!

 

[kaomao]

1) 2 gclips one after one (same settings for both of them) so they cut the peaks.
2) A great SSL Comp to compress the mix well: just reducing 4 db, 2:1 ratio, attack 30ms, release 1ms
3) Last but not least a waves L2 with all as default, not limiting basically everything set at 0
nothing more
Uhm well it's clipping a little bit sometimes if I crank my hifi is doing this ,but if I keep it softer is not doing it! argh

 

[anestic]

what stuff you use to record the guitars najs fucling soong and sound

 

[kaomao]

Well yes it doesn't make sense to me as well lol, but I followed the slate tip, I've read it on here about him having that chain, so I did the same and wow it works
I'm gonna use your tip as well and see if I can get it better
Anestic: regarding guitars, you gotta ask to holyhavok what did he use, I guess it's a mesa cab, considering the huge amount of lowmids.

 

[Metaltastic]

So GClip before the SSL comp, huh? I guess that makes sense, but on the other hand, I think of a master bus comp as pretty much a mixing step, whereas the GClip is more mastering (loudness maximizing), which typically comes after - whatever sounds best, though!

 

[broken81]

Are you using any gain on the g-clips and what do you run the softness at?

 

[Morgan C]

Just listening on laptop speakers but the drums seem really punchy.. whenever I use a compressor with 1ms release the drum transients get eaten.. let alone putting an L2 after that! Have you got the drums extra loud in the mix to compensate?

 

[JonWormwood]

Noicee.

 

[Deadstar]

I´m not sure what I´m about to write, but I think it goes like this:
If he wants to clip the peaks until, for example, 50% of the threshold knob, instead of overloading just one GClip with threshold on 50%, he puts one GClip clipping on 55% (cutting half of the peaks he wants) and a second on 50% (cutting the rest of the peaks). This way the "final GClip" (in this case, the second one) won´t have to "deal with too much peak data" (which could lead to a nasty distortion), as the first Gclip will be already cutting part of the work. Besides threshold, all other settings on GClips would be the same (proably Gain 0, Softness 0 and Oversample ON).

At least this is the same logic that I use for putting a GClip before the SSL Comp. I cut the highest peaks (probably snare hits) with GClip so the mix won´t punch the SSL Comp too hard, and I can set a lower threshold on it to reach the overall -4dB reduction that I like.

If I don´t put this GClip before the SSL Comp (or on the snare track) I will probably have to make SSL work much harder (compressing much more than -4dB) in order to control the snare peaks AND compress the whole mix. And it will probably ends pumping the whole thing and/or destroying the snare tone. By using the "GClip -> SSL Comp -> Gclip" chain before the L2 I can make a very "squared look" mix with very little dynamics (at least visually), so the L2 won´t have to squash too much the peaks (which would cause nasty digital distortion) as I aim for the desired RMS.

But I can be wrong! : )

+1 definitely

 

[kaomao]

forgot this:
on GClip I set them this way: gain 3.5db, the rest as default!

 

[Jaymz]

Narcoss, I will try that

 

[JonWormwood]

I failz trying to recreate such awesomeness.

 

[Black neon bob]

Yeah same here, i tried it once before but i just come up with too much compression going on and lot's of crackling sound when i try and go louder.

 

[broken81]

forgot this:
on GClip I set them this way: gain 3.5db, the rest as default!

So both gclips have 3.5 gain or just the first one?

 

[MetalJonesy]

forgot this:
on GClip I set them this way: gain 3.5db, the rest as default!

surely the gain depends on the level of the overall mix? i mix quite loud so when i cascade my gclips it tends to be in the region of 1.5-2.5dB of gain

 

[Jaymz]

Ever tried using the SSL's makeup gain to do the boosting? I seem to prefer it.

 

[Josh Burgess]

Gclip doesn't mess with the snare too much but it seems to mess with guitars sometimes and can be annoying...

 

[LSD-Studio]

Gclip doesn't mess with the snare too much but it seems to mess with guitars sometimes and can be annoying...

I usually have the C2 on the mixbus (not mastering!) grabbing like 2 dB (depending on what Ratio I'm using, sometimes I'm using a higher Ratio and compress only like .5 dB).

I'm usually using 2 stages of clipping in mastering as well (both within the Finalizer, pretty much the only thing I'm using in the finalizer, other than a wee bit of EQ sometimes).
In the finalizer the Compressor is sitting between those two clipping-Stages as well (I'm not using that comp though, don't like the sound of it and I actually perfer a singleband comp for compressing the whole mix in mastering, I'll sometimes use a multiband to fix/control certain areas). the final Step is the limiter....lately I'm using the elephant for that.

I don't have a go-to mastering-chain though, cause different mixes need different stuff...I'll often be using the alan smart though, as well as clipping the apogee and using one or two clipping stages within the finalizer.

I've recently discovered that I really like the StudioEQ in Cubase 4 for mastering.


Mao: good Job!

 

[lordtech]

im having difficulties here guys! its seems tht i cant find GClip plugins in my collection. Where can i find this thing???