Misanthrope is a damn nihilist- no offense buddy
None take it. I take that as a compliment as a matter of fact.
At the same time he became oblivious to his own contradictions- the fact that he seems hateful towards anyone remotely pretending a "better than you attitude" in the process enacting an abusive and more philosophically pernicious better than you attitude. It gets more complicated than this- a bit too much for me to handle at the moment.
You have insight. It is true that i become abusive towards people. That is just as low and patetic as their own fault indeed. However ( and by no means trying to justify it ) i indulge into this kind of thing only to fight fire with fire as some might say, to give a graphical vision of arrogance. Of course i am aware this has serious repercusions to my image and credibility however that is something i really do not mind. I do not mind people thinking i am dumb and idiotic cause i fire cheap insults at from the cradle in the inflames board ( and this ) however, i just thread people the way i sense they do threat me, act the way i sense they act. Yet my twisted visions of this are probably not adequate for this forum i agree and realize, but as satori wisely said we must keep the verbal masturbation going. After all it is indeed a discussion forum no matter what kind of changing attitutes i or anyone might have.
As for the jail subjet, i would like to remind and restate that i consider some murderers as dangerous to myself and the ones i love. But really they are but a small percentage of the murder acusations, most of the murder acusations i know have prefectly justifiable reasons ( and while should be punished should not be as hardly ) and another good percentage of this shorts of crimes are based on circunstancial or meaningless evidence. ( The fact some little girls fingernail was found in my card does not proves that i rapped and killed that girl and one should not have to prove why the nail was found in the car or why the girl was in the car, while it could make you a candidate it should not be allowed to cloud a jury's judgements as it oftenly happens for example ). Beyond the reasons wisely stated by Xtokalon about why i believe justice to be faulty and corrupted this are the reasons why i believe this murder thing is prove why moral is flawed ( beyond my personal visions of the world )
if YOU think some people should be in jail, that means you have to admit there are some "negative" actions in this world, however you define "negative." which would contradict what you and misanthrope keep trying to prove.
Bringing your wrath upon me once again, i must say this is also not very wise. As in my example of a murder attacking my dear ones it IS a negative aspect for me, and maybe some other close family. However the whole point of arguing and defining morality and "do's an Dont's" is to realize that as individuals we cannot justify making all society sympatyetic to our personal needs. The point of moral is making every member of society sympathetic about every member of society's problems. This is where the problem lies, in an ideal egoistic and perfect utopia that people like myself vision in dreams, problems that do not directly involve oneself should not be forced into the individual without agreement. This is what moral and law do. In everybody else socially perfect and without a trace of corruption utopia, justice and moral would be the ultimate justice. But neither of this situations are real, the thing is both problems bother me. It bothers me that i am forced into moral and it bothers me that i am forced into a corrupted process. Personally, as selfish and sick as this could sound, i do not care if any of you get killed UNLESS it is done by a person that can become a threat to me. This is a simple fact. What DOES bother me is that this person pays with his life because he committed this crime against someone who stupidly asked for this, like getting in a car late at night ( you know the risks of running into a drunk driver or a presecution every driver should be aware ), Or perhaps making an unstable but otherwise harmless person uneasy and actively seeking to find their rage, this is just stupid. While the other person might not be totally inocent just because someone is dead does not justify he was stupid to begin with taking a risk and that even in oblivion he should take part of the responsability, leaving the aggressor with a considerable less hard punishment, and second of all why should I care about all this if it does not involve me at all why should i have to ideally participate in the process of a trial ( the jury is supposed to be a representative of the population and i do not wish to be represented ). This cannot be anymore clear
- he believes in nothing. I am a moral realist. What does this means? I beleive that moral rights and wrongs and justifications for these do exist. This is quite the contrary from what Misanthrope seems to believe.....
