how can I improve this shit?

[theblackmoon]

Hey folks I´m in a never ending struggle to make this sound tight, specially guitars, they´re too flabby and loose. How can I ticken them up?

DFHS
5150 combo
no bass yet

I was going for a more mid sounding thing, not so scooped.

What you guys think of it and how can I improve this shit?

File HERE

Thanks

 

[KeithRT99]

i wouldn't really call that flabby or loose. I would probably ad a bit of resonance or low end on the amp. A bass guitar makes a big difference.

 

[flhctroll]

I would say you have too much lo end cut. Not flabby or loose at all. I would add a bit of low but not much. Bass will take care of alot of it.

 

[musickey]

are you double tracking the guitars?

 

[theblackmoon]

are you double tracking the guitars?

Quad tracking... just believe.

But I use really small amounts of gain, quad tracking with the same gtr, diferent channels on the 5150 thou.

Problably making 50/50 with another amp would add a sense of depth, but... well... I just don´t have another amp.

 

[loomis103]

i think the guitars sound pretty good, there real tight to me. Bass would probably do wonders.

 

[Zombietakeover]

yeah i think guitar sounds pretty good not flabby at all......I agree get a nice tight bass guitar in there....It will thicken it up very nicely.....the drums are a little tinny

 

[theblackmoon]

Thanks a lot to everyone who took your time to help me out...

I´ll try to grab the bass from the bass player of my band...
I´ll record those bass lines ASAP. I´ll post the results.

@Zombietakeover how u think I should fatten the drums, withouth Waves Maxxbass, withouth making them sound boxy? I tried before but it became boxy and lost definition.

 

[stringy_]

Palm mute closer to the bridge to get that "bloom" on muted stuff...I'd also say add a touch more gain. What have you done to the guitar's bottom end so far? High pass filters? EQing? Get some more lows in the guitars themselves.

Your kick is non-existant. There are no lows at all. The kick should be pumping hard right between 60Hz-80Hz, then the bass will fill in above that. Cut the kicks at 400Hz though.

Get the bass guitar in there and drive it strait up the middle, you'll hear everything thicken up.

 

[everybody's x]

I think turning them up a hair and bringing a nice fuzzy bass track up the middle amd it would sound great.

L 100%<80%<>80%>100% R panning too

maybe some verb on the drums and kill that "china"

 

[theblackmoon]

I think turning them up a hair and bringing a nice fuzzy bass track up the middle amd it would sound great.

L 100%<80%<>80%>100% R panning too

maybe some verb on the drums and kill that "china"

About the china, I know it sounds harsh, but I thought it had a good character to it... when you say kill you mean compressing, maybe de-essing it?

 

[everybody's x]

or just pull it back, it's a pretty harsh sound, I assume thats a sample?

 

[theblackmoon]

or just pull it back, it's a pretty harsh sound, I assume thats a sample?

Actually everything is a sample... DFHS all the way.

I´ll try pulling it back, thanks!

 

[everybody's x]

I gots to get me one of them drum sample thingies one of these days

 

[theblackmoon]

Not only for programing. I&#180;ve produced a brazillian Doom Metal band with a kinda V-Drum (same aspect, but from a brazillian brand, work like the roland but it&#180;s way cheaper) and got stellar results drum-wise, the average listener will never know...

 

[kev]

get some bass on the go i think, and it will give a better impression as its lacking balls of current

 

[theblackmoon]

I tried remixing it, the kick is way better, overall the mix sounds more powerful, but the guitars... still crap.

Note to self: You can&#180;t polish crap.

I&#180;ll re-record it soon, will post the results ASAP. Thanks.

 

[deathtotaliban]

overall you have like no low end. bass will help, but still i think the drums lack a ton, the kick is really really clicky, idk it doesnt have too much depth, with bass the guitar will sound a lot fuller. just add bass then see

 

[theblackmoon]

I remixed it, used everybody opinion so...

HERE IT IS - I think there&#180;s a GREAT improvement on the low end, but still no bass. I think I just exagerated on the BD.

Thanks again folks.

 

[theblackmoon]

Anyone agree that the low end is better?