How popular is your favorite band?

All of that data is fairly invalid as l see it. Dream Theater's numbers are triple Queensryche's, but l'm sure QR either outdraws DT or it would be fairly even at any venue. On the co-headlining tour they did...l was at 3 shows & the crowd was fairly even...with the edge given to QR if there was any.
 
Basically the numbers don't really mean anything. Myspace is full of kids who add anyone and everyone to make their own friends list look large, adding bands is an easy way of doing this. And what about the older fans for example who don't give a crap about myspace, or even know what it is?
 
Some of these numbers are probably skewed by multiple/fake myspace profiles for a band. The numbers for Angra in particular struck me as being pretty off.

that and registration dates could have a big impact, plus the amount of time put into the myspace account makes a difference too. say if one band just lets the users search them up and add them, compared to the one that just has people get on it all the time and add add add add, the numbers could be a little twisted looking.
 
As for Angra, I would assume that their South American fanbase is not represented well at all due to a lack of internet connectivity or perhaps Myspace is not a popular tool there as well?

Yeah, the Brazilians are crazy about Orkut (http://www.searchenginejournal.com/why-brazil-loves-orkut/3082/) so they probably don't do myspace as much.

The fact that Nighwish's numbers are double Maiden's, tells you all you need to know about the value of that data. There isn't a single place on Earth, where Nightwish would outdraw Maiden, including Tuomas' living room.

That's probably true, but the data still gives you some interesting information about how the two bands are regarded within a particular demographic. Their last.fm numbers are also interesting to compare: Nightwish has 19,310,130 plays/292,101 listeners, while Maiden has 20,455,222/354,147, which shows that Nightwish (unsurprisingly) has somewhat more "dedicated" fans than Iron Maiden, but also that last.fm users swing more towards Iron Maiden a bit more than myspace users.

The date the band's MySpace page went online is a huge variable?

Yeah, that's why a Myspace-views-in-the-last-month and Last.fm-listens-in-the-last-month (or six months, week, whatever) would be nice. Last.fm's numbers should be a lot less affected by this (the band's page automatically appears whenever the band begins), but it would still be nice to know "Are all these people listening to this band *right now*, or were they popular three years ago and now they're on the wane?"

All of that data is fairly invalid as l see it. Dream Theater's numbers are triple Queensryche's, but l'm sure QR either outdraws DT or it would be fairly even at any venue. On the co-headlining tour they did...l was at 3 shows & the crowd was fairly even...with the edge given to QR if there was any.

Last.fm is even worse for Queensryche: 14,435,264/236,695 for Dream Theater, vs. 1,925,865/84,868 for Queensryche. Surprised me a bit too, but at some point I think you just have to accept that even if those numbers aren't quite right, your preconceived notion (that was based on little beyond a view of who a crowd was "for") may not be right either. It sort of makes sense, if you realize that lots of people really liked Queensryche 20 years ago, but we're talking about today. I know *I* really like Queensryche, but I still hardly ever listen to their albums anymore, and I haven't made a point to go see them recently.

Furthermore, on Queensryche's Top Tracks in the Last Six Months list, you have to drop all the way to #26 to get to a post-Empire song ("Bridge"), while Dream Theater has songs from their new album mixed in right at the top along with the "Pull Me Under"s and such.

Basically the numbers don't really mean anything. Myspace is full of kids who add anyone and everyone to make their own friends list look large, adding bands is an easy way of doing this.

But don't you think such activity would basically even out across all bands in the list? We're only concerned with the relative numbers here, after all.

And while the numbers probably aren't useful in a court of law, and you don't want to be making huge wagers based solely on them, it's silly to say that they don't really mean anything. At the very least, they show how many profile views a band has gotten on myspace, and that's useful information right there.

Neil
 
The date the band's MySpace page went online is a huge variable. Lacuna Coil has had their MySpace page up since March 28, 2005. In contrast, Iced Earth didn't have an official MySpace page launched until June 4, 2007.

I'm not saying that Iced Earth will have Lacuna Coil two-year numbers after it's page has been up two years, but as with all statistical comparisons, you really need to do some investigation into how the numbers were gathered and how they were analyzed. Working in the biological and medical research fields, I can tell you that statistics can be maniupulated and presented to make whatever point you want to make - just like advertising. Always ask yourself the question, "Compared to What" and "Compared to When" when someone makes a claim that their product is "x%" better. Are they comparing apples to apples, or apples to grapefruit?

These are good points. I also think the average age of a fanbase can skew those numbers as well. I noted it was totally not a scientific thing over at Powerfest, but I still think the numbers are interesting. Reading down that list of bands there aren't a ton of suprises. The Nightwish thing was suprising, but I think the age of the fanbase comes into play.

Britt
 
Well for whatever their reasons I can tell you most record labels pay a great deal of attention to MySpace and the numbers bands have. I know of one band that was told by their label (and a big independent at that) that they wanted the band to have atleast 50k friends on myspace before the release of their debut album on that label. And I know through good sources that this is becoming the norm.
 
All of that data is fairly invalid as l see it. Dream Theater's numbers are triple Queensryche's, but l'm sure QR either outdraws DT or it would be fairly even at any venue. On the co-headlining tour they did...l was at 3 shows & the crowd was fairly even...with the edge given to QR if there was any.
Not true and I'm a big fan of both and have caught pretty much every tour in recent years.

Here is a fact, for the past 4-5 years, QR has been headlining smaller venues in the 1,500 person capacity (Electric Factory in Philly, Ram's Head Live in Baltimore - awesome venue). In contrast, I have seen DT grow into larger venues (Pier 6 in Baltimore, Tower Theater in Philly, and of course their DVD shoot at Madison Square Garden). They have been playing larger venues typically in the 3,000-4,000 person range. I'm pretty sure that MSG holds more, but that was for a DVD shoot which will draw more anyhow. I think it is official that DT now out draws QR. Of course this is in the PA/MD/DC/VA area since that is where I typically attend shows. Occasionally I drive to NY for shows.
 
Here's an updated list with the dates that the page was created. That is an obvious factor I should have taken into account the first time around. After jotting the dates down I don't think it had a big impact on this list. Dream Theater, and Iced Earth have the most recently created pages. Nightwish is the clear leader of this list though.

Nightwish (11/21/06) 4,591,508
Lacuna Coil (3/28/05) 3,143,710
Megadeth (3/1/06) 2,260,311
Iron Maiden (4/26/06) 2,167,228
Dream Theater (2/20/07) 1,558,958
Amon Amarth (12/24/04) 772,978
Queensryche (11/15/05) 584,130
Kamelot (3/23/06) 486,785
Nile (5/26/05) 470,882
Blind Guardian (11/28/04) 412,639
Sonata Arctica (9/19/05) 401,698
Kataklysm (1/21/05) 382,740
Nevermore (6/28/05) 377,441
Symphony X (2/9/06) 326,722
Firewind (5/15/06) 229,870
Moonspell (7/14/05) 220,285
Amorphis (5/26/05) 190,526
Satyricon (3/8/06) 187,678
Iced Earth (6/4/07) 163,156
Turisas (2/20/06) 160,477
Volbeat (2/21/06) 151,872
Stratovarius 9/27/06) 145,115
Riverside (6/28/06) 109,409
Trouble (6/11/05) 107,001
Elvenking (5/1/05) 83,481
Candlemass (1/4/06) 75,257
Nocturnal Rites (10/19/05) 72,742
Novembers Doom (12/21/04) 71,861
Pagan's Mind (4/28/06) 71,031
Primordial (4/6/06) 70,877
Threshold (5/16/06) 60,949
Angra (9/8/06) 49,332
Mystic Prophecy (5/3/05) 28,755
Vanden Plas (3/15/06) 23,193
Wolverine (7/29/05) 21,496
Brainstorm (9/4/05) 21,492

Britt
 
Within Temptation (4/11/06) 2,054,294

That being said, am I the only one that doesn't get Myspace?? It just seems to me like volunteering for spam and a bottom-less pit of guest-book entries. I far prefer regular web-sites when I am looking up info on a band. I guess I'm just old...
 
And now, reordered by views-per-day. Not a huge difference in the overall list, but Iced Earth certainly gets helped out, and Nightwish looks even more ridiculously popular than they did before. And yeah, this list still isn't perfect, since it assumes a constant level of popularity, and presumably that varies over time.

Nightwish 13705.99
Dream Theater 6389.17
Iron Maiden 3983.88
Megadeth 3767.19
Lacuna Coil 3351.50
Iced Earth 1165.40
Kamelot 842.19
Queensryche 827.38
Amon Amarth 749.01
Nile 535.70
Symphony X 526.97
Sonata Arctica 526.47
Nevermore 446.15
Firewind 437.85
Blind Guardian 390.02
Kataklysm 381.22
Stratovarius 372.09
Satyricon 316.49
Moonspell 265.40
Turisas 263.51
Volbeat 249.79
Riverside 227.46
Amorphis 216.75
Pagan's Mind 131.05
Primordial 125.67
Trouble 123.99
Angra 120.62
Threshold 116.31
Candlemass 114.72
Nocturnal Rites 99.24
Elvenking 92.35
Novembers Doom 69.43
Vanden Plas 39.58
Mystic Prophecy 31.88
Brainstorm 27.62
Wolverine 26.38
 
So are we doing "Friends" or "Page Views"?? I'll do "Page Views" eventhough it doesn't mean "Oh, I like this band!" .. lol

After putting this together... this list is meaningless. Some of these numbers - more like, how they compare to the rest of the list - are unbelievable. I can NOT believe that Dendura is more popular than Hubi Meisel and MindFlow combined! And "more activity" does not mean "a better band".. Joy Electric are great and I've loved them for years, but they can't begin to touch Prymary in talent! And how can the numbers of a small-time death metal band (Flesh for the Beast) that's been outside of Michigan twice really compare to an internationally-touring band from South America (MindFlow)??

MySpace is not the most popular social-networking site in other parts of the world. For instance, Brazil has orkut.com, where MindFlow has thousands of fans and Flesh for the Beast doesn't even have a profile. Or Romania and Portugal have hi5.com, where I've discovered bands I can't find anywhere on MySpace.

And "Date Created" doesn't always apply. Vic Wayne 'N' Coup Sauvage has bigger numbers (nearly double) than Dendura but was only started in 2006, whereas Dendura was in 2004.

Firewind: 231,336
Joy Electric: 199,211
Shadow Reichenstein: 123,374
Hypnogaja: 85,516
Outworld: 85,504
Arjen Luccassen: 76,690
Vic Wayne N' Coup Sauvage: 65,519
Dendura: 37,649
Meyvn: 34,334
Prymary: 25,988
Magistral: 20,699
Flesh for the Beast: 17,086
MindFlow: 16,576
Division: 14,931
Eternity Black: 14,634
Shades Of Gray: 13,966
Hubi Meisel: 12,152
 
Well for whatever their reasons I can tell you most record labels pay a great deal of attention to MySpace and the numbers bands have. I know of one band that was told by their label (and a big independent at that) that they wanted the band to have atleast 50k friends on myspace before the release of their debut album on that label. And I know through good sources that this is becoming the norm.

Wow, that's a big order to fill. Iron Maiden "only" has 52,905 friends joined since April 2006. And it took Metallica 3 years to gather 110,550 friends (their MySpace page went live in October 2004).

IMO, any record label that says they want a band to have 50,000 friends before their debut for that label is really saying, "We're not interested. Go home." Geez, Iron Maiden wouldn't have been able to fulfill that indie's criteria earlier this year.
 
Within Temptation (4/11/06) 2,054,294

That being said, am I the only one that doesn't get Myspace?? It just seems to me like volunteering for spam and a bottom-less pit of guest-book entries. I far prefer regular web-sites when I am looking up info on a band. I guess I'm just old...

Yep, we're old.:kickass:
 
And now, reordered by views-per-day. Not a huge difference in the overall list, but Iced Earth certainly gets helped out, and Nightwish looks even more ridiculously popular than they did before. And yeah, this list still isn't perfect, since it assumes a constant level of popularity, and presumably that varies over time.

A better analysis, IMO. But as you pointed out regarding the popularity issue, A band who hasn't had a new album out in two years isn't going to get the amount of traffic that a band who released a CD last month is going to. Just another variable to cloud the whole picture.

If a band can't sell records, it can't survive, so record sales are the ultimate test of popularity, IMO. Do you like the band enough to support them by plunking down $15 of your hard-earned cash to support their cause? Good intentions and internet interest don't generate income for the band.
 
Britt posted some interesting numbers over on the Powerfest forum regarding band popularity as measured by My Space numbers. Obviously, this is a world wide picture instead of a region, but it should give you an idea nonetheless. It may surprise a few of you:

Nightwish 4,591,508
Kamelot 486,785
Blind Guardian 412,639
Nevermore 377,441
Moonspell 220,285
Iced Earth 163,156
Candlemass 75,257
Nocturnal Rites 72,742
Mystic Prophecy 28,755
Vanden Plas 23,193
Brainstorm 21,492

PPX :headbang: heheheh
 
I don't think fake profiles have that much of an impact when you get to these high numbers. As for Angra, I would assume that their South American fanbase is not represented well at all due to a lack of internet connectivity or perhaps Myspace is not a popular tool there as well?


yeah, we don't use myspace in Brazil.... We use orkut from google... (www.orkut.com) ahaha

i have a myspace for my american friends and an orkut for my brazilian friends... I could check the numbers of their orkut communities....)