Isn't it fantastic to work with a brilliant vocalist?

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Captain Midnight
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Didn't really know where to post this but I've had the pleasure of mixing my friends side project with Dan Tomkins (ex Tesseract), and it's just been an absolute eye opener for me. I've become so used to dealing with short comings performance wise to work with someone actually talented has been a fantastic experience.

There's no tuning at all on the whole EP and his performance sounds fantastic.

The project is called Absent Hearts and I can't wait to share it with you guys.

Sorry if this post is a little self indulgent I just figured that since everyone can get a bit gloomy about this profession at the moment that I figured I'd share how fantastic it is to work with talented musicians on a project with potential. It really helped me see the beauty of this job.
 
Cool. I've got Dan liked on facebook and I've heard a rough version of a song or two from that project from him. Great singer.
 
Nothing wrong with saying this at all. You are right. Working with decent musicians makes you realise why I wanted to do this to begin with.
It is a hard thing to understand until you exeperience yourself but GOOD musicians really do make our job rather easy.
 
On the flipside, it's been an eyeopener recording respected musicians and seeing their flaws. You go in thinking that everything they play is gold, but when you hear them behind the microphone you see how human they are. I'm not a particularly good guitarist but I've definitely recorded guys and thought "wow, I could play this riff better." Also, a lot of sloppy kicks and bad timing on vocals, etc.
 
Amen. Life Sized Ghost is one of my favorite bands to work with. We've done 3 EPs so far. Their vocalist, Tali, is absolutely amazing and I've never pitch corrected a single note. She walks into the booth and usually does all of he singing in one take. Actually, everyone else in the band is the same way. Their lead guitarist only re-takes solos if he doesn't like them, because he always just improvs them on the spot and never plays the same thing twice. Bonus, they're also one of the most humble bands I've ever worked with, and completely trust me with the mix. I would LOVE to get some of these cocky local bands in here next time I record Life Size Ghost and show them how real musicians work. Absolutely phenomenal band of talented musicians. Highly recommend listening to them for fans of Fiona Apple, Phish, Company of Thieves, etc.

Another great band I recently worked with is The Burial (Facedown Records). Their vocalist did all of his vocals on the album, 95% of it, in one take, first try. Same thing with his solos (he plays lead guitar and vocals live). Their drummer is only 17 and recorded all of the drums only 2 weeks after joining the band... Really great band, and again, very humble musicians.

I've had several other bands with amazing vocalists, like Wolves & Machines (GREAT band, if you like bands like Boys Night Out), Great American Beast (kinda like Every Time I Die), Beneath The Sky (singer was amazing, did all of the singing for In Loving Memory in ~ a day, not a huge fan of their screaming style), Andy and Blake from APFP. Real talent comes from hard work, and constantly pushing for better performance, so talent and humility seem to almost always go hand in hand. It's beautiful.

Amateurs fuck around in the vocal booth, either doing one take and expecting effects/correcting to fix their dead/lifeless/out of tune voice, or wail on the dead horse with half a zillion takes that all sound nearly identical, and nearly shitty. They don't have the ear for nuance, and of course they never practice, so they can't ever figure out what's wrong, but they know it is. So of course, it's up to us to somehow fix their lack of talent. This can be extremely frustrating.

I've been doing the recording thing on and off for the last 10 years, and I'm finally getting to the point where a good portion of my yearly projects are legitimately talented musicians. I'm also at a point where if a musician sucks, I will tell him to his face in front of the band and tell him exactly what he needs to do to fix it. Usually, it's practise way more, and play shit you're actually capable of, not stuff you HOPE to be capable of in 5 years of said practice. "Play within your actual talents". That should be the golden rule of any publicly performing group.

Thanks for this topic. Working with talented musicians is exactly what I've always been wanting with my studio. Sure, it's fun to work with a band who wants/needs you to write a good portion of their music everyone once in a while, and it can be very satisfying to tutor some of these young musicians on how to play their instruments better, but I end up feeling like an audio janitor/local band babysitter. Praise Andy Wallace I'm getting less and less shitty bands these days.

Anyhow, I could write a book on all of this... probably should, since I'm a good way there, haha :p
 
Very good points there RandomAwesome.

When you record someone actually talented everything just sounds good right off the bat. Nothing sucks more than starting a recording with a band and realising they don't have any ability and that it's gonna be that way for the whole project.
 
RandomAwesome, great stories. I hope to get more of them myself but here is my most recent one.
A couple of people on here have heard this track already but here goes.

I recorded a demo for this band a few months ago, all in their early 20's and nothing but kind and professional and talented!

The entire song was recorded, mixed and mastered in 1 1/2 days. Everything was individually tracked but most parts were one maybe two takes at best, no editing, no samples an no tuning.

The singer, my god lol. He dropped in ALL of the harmonies FIRST with no reference to the melody at all, all one takes, then drops the melody last, in one take.

This is fairly simple sounding pop/reggae but these boys can play when they let loose. The singer is also a shredder on the guitar too! damn it lol.
I have to say at this point while this style is not to too many peoples taste in this forum and it sounds simple to play, it really isn't and there is some real talent in these young lads.



They made the video themselves with the footage they took while recording.
 
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What I hate is hearing a pre-production live demo and the band being in time and everything sounds pretty decent, then you get the drummer to sit behind the kit with a click track that was mapped out with the band... and then everything falls apart.. :bah:

...and then it hits home that you're about to program a 5 song ep worth of drums..
 
Thanks for all the stories guys! The mix of the single is done and I'm just waiting for approval from Dan to send it to mastering.

Tell you what I needed some picking up today with what I'm about to work on, let's just say this project is the complete opposite of what's being spoken about...