I've got your Gothic movement RIGHT HERE:
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SculptedCold
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I agree with the fact that the term 'gothic' is little more than a label. The 'gothic' lifestyle/image as is shown today by the majority of those who choose to call themselves that, has extremely little to do with actual gothic history. Gothic history was not populated with people wearing black (as either an obsession or a simple preference), it did not have people wearing black lipstick or eyeshadow or trying to be unique.......but that is besides the point. Mainly, the modern gothic style (the 'true' sense anyway) is derived from the theoretical, and not practical, ideas of the time. Literature is the main example; the gothic era of history coming into the victorian was the period of history most highlighted with literary genius in morbidity and tragic fatalism borne of hard deterministic philosophy and idealist romantacism. Not all writers were determinists of course, but most of the classical writers had their own very strong philosophies that infected their writing with strength and conviction; a quality which makes classical literature so appealing. Literature, as a theory, is a conveyance of language from author to reader in which important personal discoveries are made; discoveries of personal assumptions and associations that make the text of a literary work become something special and timeless, demanding consideration. I mention this in a way to illustrate the spirit beneath the surface. Yes, there are a great many 'goths' walking around for attention, but it does not bear in this case (or in any other) the justification for laying a generalization on all aspect of the culture. Paralleled here, I could quite easily say that all people 'into' computers are sad, unnattractive geeks who don't know how to socialize with other people. As a statement indictive to a minority, this may be true in some cases, but as a generalization, i'm hoping most people would realise this to be extremely false. The same is applicable to any walk of life, including the choice to be 'gothic'. Now, gothic in this case (the 'true' case) is not a mirror to practical history, but theoretical as i've said. Most 'true' goths you would find utilise the image so despised not as a tool with which to stand out, but as a tool with which to express and identify. The illusion of 'standing-out' or seeking to be 'individual' is a societal dogma, as neither true goths nor poser goths actually fall under this umbrella. (poser goths, in consciously seeking this as their primary objective fail to meet it by definition, while true goths don't seek that at all) In the way that a dark classical author like Edgar Allan Poe or Virgina Woolf or more abstractly; someone like Dickens or Hardy, choose to write their stories, so do gothics choose to express themselves in the form of an image. Many people too ignorant, too impatient, or just plain not intelligent enough will never read or never understand much of classical literature, and in a similar function, an equivalent will never comprehend that goths appear how they do for themselves and not for others simply because the idea that something appearing so different doesn't necessarily have to be intrusive in thier own understanding does even occur to them. Yes, they look different, so what? Any person engages in this regardless of how they look in the end, with every item of clothing they buy and every cosmetic they apply to themselves. The term 'gothic' is a label and little more, what people have to see is what the label is attached to, and make their own deductions from THAT, and not from the misconceptions a simple word seems to dictate. Language is a function of communication, but implies much more than literal meaning. Image is a function of communication, but is, in the same way, containing of far more than itself implies. I wear black lipstick, black nailpolish, black eyeshadow, black clothes and also designer label clothes, holiday t-shirts, anything that fits with my mood...I listen to metal, classical, pop and indie, I read classical literature out of enjoyment and intrigue, I enjoy socializing with anyone from metalheads to trendies in anywhere from dance clubs to coincidental chats on the street. Why am I like this? I'm like this because this is how I like to look and I really could care less about how I compare to other people in that respect. That arrogant man with that website wants to know why he's not found a universal definition of gothic? It's because there isn't one. Everyone interprets the word in different ways and adopts a style to that word if they wish. To persecute and generalize on an endlessly variable take of a simple word of language is nothing short of ignorance.
chileanmetal
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The thing that I think that's true is that they're some guys that don't fit in a group of persons and they separate themself adopting a "obscure" look to try (for like 100000000th time) to fit in... well, THEY DON'T. So they make a new movement call "Gothics", to finally fit in someplace...
| A little bit TOO LONG?
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The thing that I think that's true is that they're some guys that don't fit in a group of persons and they separate themself adopting a "obscure" look to try (for like 100000000th time) to fit in... well, THEY DON'T. So they make a new movement call "Gothics", to finally fit in someplace...
SculptedCold
-scented manbeef-
NaTaSMAI
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SculptedCold
-scented manbeef-
Writing a whole shit load about what a loser you are doesn't prove anything. Some dude said to "start your own movement" or some ole bullshit. There already was dumbass. Thats what everybody who wears all that shit thinks they know. I doubt they know shit. You didn't "adopt" shit. You copied off someone you thought had it all figured out. There are many other normal people who read classical literature and don't dress like outcasts that care enough to buy a bunch of black. You wear lipstick you fucking fag. Big words don't mean you know shit about the world. It just means you need to get out of your black ass room and experience the world a little more. One day you'll wise up but until then enjoy no pussy except from crazy psycho bitches. WISE UP and quit being a fucking antisocial son of a bitch
