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[LordFireworm]

Originally posted by hakkikt


I happen to like that album (A show of hands), and I was kind of pissed by your comment.
But after some reflection, I understand you may not like his music (or that particular work)
or you may not be impressed by any of Wooten's techniques.
But I feel there's some undeserved lack of respect to him and his works in your comments.
I do consider there's something interesting and inspired in that album.
Something i hadn't hear before, and I find it valuable and doesn't bore me (again, personal opinion, not dogmatic truth).
I sustain solo albums are usually boring. Pick your favorite artist solos, group them in one CD. Try to listening twice.
As I keep saying: Just opinions.. But, with respect.


Regards,
Hakkikt

Sorry man,I really did'nt mean to offend you and I have the GREATEST respect for Wooten despite what comes across.
I certainly dont "A Show Of Hands" is a bad album as such but I do think quite a few of the songs have the same sound to them.I again do not think this is any fault of Wooten's.He is pushing the bass as far as it can go but it comes back to the original arguement.Its an instrument with (Normally) 4 strings and 3 octaves.Sound wise,there is'nt just that big a range.
I also enjoy some of Wooten's techniques (I've been tyring to get that double thumbing thing down for ages) and have respect for the amount of time he is putting into the instrument.
I agree with your final point too,there is no BEST player.Just favourites.I enjoy many players that I know I'll never see at Bass Day but thats the great thing about art,you cant be factual about the greats.
Also,to the other dude,I did'nt mean to knock Sheehan's playing at all.I was just annoyed that he did'nt do anything cool when I saw him.As Steve pointed out though,that was probably Vai's fault.

 

[hakkikt]

I was not offended. I like people back their opinions
when the throw them like "the truth", until they clarify
what they meant to say.
I love dialectics. I hardly tolerate dogmatics.

Let's move on. This issue is over...

Let's talk about music.
A more interesting theme.

I've been digging Jonas Hellborg stuff last days.
A lot of good stuff... I like the mid-eastern feel in music.
Have you heard Trey Gunn - Joy of Molybdenum?
I hope I see them live someday.

So much music to hear and so much stuff to learn.

Regards,
Hakkikt

 

[HippieOfDoom]

Ok, I thought you guys were getting kinda gay here...
But now you've gotten my interest again. Hellborg? Mid-Eastern?? Clue me in you scrubs!!!
All I have by Hellborg is "e", and by the way - fucking awesome possum. But it's funky in a sorta semi-hybrid 70's style. It's totally great, but I'm a huge middle eastern music fanatic - trust me, I am. Indian, Persian, Turkish, Morrocan, etc... And being an American we're actually allowed to dig music fused together with other cultures as are you euro's. So turn me on to the funk meister jammin with some chill mid-east dudes...

And Hack, Hach, Haky Sack whatever...I love that Karn album you listed above, Titles (or was it Tiles?), Malone turned me on to that. Anyvay...MK is one of my main fretless influences. You gotta love Dali's Car too.

 

[LordFireworm]

Gay?
For arguing over players?
Okay...
Anyway,are you familiar with Secret Chiefs three?
Mostly instrumental music but with alot of Middle Eastern influences and fucking crazy.

 

[hakkikt]

Gay?? hahaha..
maybe we should have a macho/WWF match here...
but even then would be kind of gay...
all those sweaty men touching each other... haha

I prefer to be polite than troglodite

Anyway, let's talk about music:
HELLBORG: the little swedish guy
He started to be famous when integrated
the reformed 80's Mahavishnu. Recorded one
album, "Mahavishnu". I never heard of it.
Apparently, the live sessions were glorious jammings.
Since then, he has been quite prolific.
The albums I've got:

(1988) Bass
A lot of experimentation. The guy was looking
something, but doesn't get it yet.

(1989) Adfa
A more defined style. Exploring between
rock, jazz, athmospheric. Some flirting with ethnic
percussion.

(1995) Abstract Logic (w/Lane)
Pure darky, in-your-face fusion.
Hellborg has "the Hellborg sound" here.
Plays fretless & slap over an acoustic bass.
Good melodies. Something to get.
He starts here his various collaborations with guitar
virtuoso Shawn Lane.

(1996) Temporal Analogues of Paradise (w/Lane)
2 live improvs (half hour each). Self-indulgence with
taste. Some rare harmonies. Anyway, awesome performances.
Not for starters. Maybe to get after others.

(1997) Time Is the Enemy (w/Lane)
Rocky, funky, bluesy. Same line-up as Temporal.
Cool. A lot of woodshed.

(1999) Aram of 2 Rivers: Live in Syria
He can't be more eastern-ish that this.
Hellborg alone with syrian musicians (live).
Lots of percussion and low frecuencies while
slapping on acoustic bass. Memorable melodies.
This is crack for the eastern junkie.

(2000) Good People in Times of Evil (w/Lane)
Totally ethnical, athmospherical. Indian percussion master
V.Selvaganesh provides that thing we got to
call eastern with two western players who are
totally into it and do an awesome job too.
A must get here. No dull moments.

I have to get yet some of the Johanssen bros collaborations.
I hope this serves as a reference to the whacky world
of Jonas Hellborg, so far I know it, and I'm getting the taste.

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Stove... Stvee... Svte... !! (lousy human name... hehe)
If you like sci-fi, get some C.J.Cherryh's books
about Chanur saga.
You'll know then where "Hakkikt" comes from.

MIKE KARN (the album I was listening to is called "Titles")
(blessed be thy name)
I'm now another worshipper of this fretless god.
And I was converted by your "Dali's car" suggestion,
some weeks ago.
Remember a thread called "albums featuring fretless bass"?
I also got the "Dreams of Reason Produce Monsters", but I
prefer "Titles". I would never imagined those sounds could be
done with a fretless, instead of a synth. Kind of alien music.
I love it. I've heard "Polytown" is also good, but I haven't got it yet.

Some time ago, I was suggested to hear some Steve Swallow.
Any directions about his music?

Have you heard an album by Egberto Gismonti,
Charlie Haden, Jan Garbarek called "Folk songs"?
The last track, called "For Turiya" and composed by Haden,
is pure emotion.

Regards,
Hakkikt
P.S.: By the way, I'm from South-America, no Europe.

 

[capeda]

I watched some video with Jonas Hellborg playing solo a few months ago... there were a few tribal percussionists and he was playing the hell out of an acoustic 4-string bass... I never thought it sounded quite right to slap on an acoustic bass, but that video proves otherwise....