Just wondering if any of you SymX fans happen to know...

[Porksoda]

Why MJR misquotes Mars from Holst's "The Planets" at the beginning of DWoT. I mean I remember him saying he was a fan of Holst in that guitar tecnique video he did a while ago, so I figure he would probably know that rythm backwards and forewards.

Just wondering if there was ever an explanation for that; it is eating away at my soouuuul... :hotjump:

 

[soundgarden]

Why MJR misquotes Mars from Holst's "The Planets" at the beginning of DWoT. I mean I remember him saying he was a fan of Holst in that guitar tecnique video he did a while ago, so I figure he would probably know that rythm backwards and forewards.

Just wondering if there was ever an explanation for that; it is eating away at my soouuuul... :hotjump:

How does he misquote Holst?

 

[HeroBoy]

20th Century classical, and especially neo-classical music (prog included), have long quoted previous composer's works, but rarely in their original form or idiom. Sometimes there are exact quotations, but much of the time such quotations are more like paraphrases. I can't speak for MJR, of course, but I'd wager he just wanted the spirit of Holst's famous rhythm to fit into the structural style of the SymX song.

 

[soundgarden]

20th Century classical, and especially neo-classical music (prog included), have long quoted previous composer's works, but rarely in their original form or idiom. Sometimes there are exact quotations, but much of the time such quotations are more like paraphrases. I can't speak for MJR, of course, but I'd wager he just wanted the spirit of Holst's famous rhythm to fit into the structural style of the SymX song.

Oh! I understand now. I forgot that music can be written as well

And i agree with what HeroBoy stated.

 

[Porksoda]

How does he misquote Holst?

Wrong time signature for one. MJR plays it in 7 when its supposed to be in 5. It's supposed to be a concert march tempo, but with an extra beat to convey the alien army/war of the worlds theme of the movement. Listen to "Mars" from "The Planets" by Gustav Holst. The opening rythm in DWoT is a quotation from the ostinato of Mars (it's the stringendo at the beginning), except the rythm is wrong.


EDIT: AAAAArgh while you are probably correct, as a concert musician who has performed Mars many times, it REALLY pisses me off.

 

[1by4by9]

Well, the rhytm and melodies are "incorrect" because it's meant to be that way and listen how good it sounds. MJR wanted to make his own Bringer Of War-variation and he succeeded well.

 

[OfSinsAndShred]

It's called a variation.

Listen to "Solfegietto" (sp? It's 2 AM) by CPE Bach, then "The Damnation Game." It's a quote, but not an exact one. He was doing his own thing with the piece. Same goes for Prelude from V.

 

[MorphineChild205]

Yeah, it's different, but I like it just as much. He just added a little variation to it to spice it up a bit.

 

[Aqualung]

I have also played as a concert musician (violin), and in an orchestra I was in for 2 years we performed most of "The Planets" several times as well as other more obscure works by Gustav Holst, and I have to say I have no idea why you seem so pissed off! He might have changed it slightly, but composers have been doing that sorta thing for centuries (were even some of Holst's ideas 100% original and unchanged from their original form?) and besides, it sounds fucken awesome!

 

[proulxski]

yeh I know it was done with prelude!

 

[MajorRager]

Who is Sinfony X? From what I've herd, they suck and steal other peoples music. I don't like them. Nah, kidding of course. That tapping lick in Sea of Lies is from a Bach passage, is it not? I was a brass player for many years as long as we're talking about being in Orchestral groups.

 

[dargormudshark]

The same goes for Viellecht Das Nachste Mal by Rainbow it is a variation on one of the sections on one of the movements in Beethoven's 9th symphony.

 

[Porksoda]

I have also played as a concert musician (violin), and in an orchestra I was in for 2 years we performed most of "The Planets" several times as well as other more obscure works by Gustav Holst, and I have to say I have no idea why you seem so pissed off! He might have changed it slightly, but composers have been doing that sorta thing for centuries (were even some of Holst's ideas 100% original and unchanged from their original form?) and besides, it sounds fucken awesome!

Perhaps because it was the first piece I played in a non-standard time signature (in an ensemble) and I was in a section of not-so-good players, so we ended up spending most of the semester trying to get them playing it right...

Yeah, I don't know why I'm being so anal...

 

[Aqualung]

Perhaps because it was the first piece I played in a non-standard time signature (in an ensemble) and I was in a section of not-so-good players, so we ended up spending most of the semester trying to get them playing it right...

Yeah, I don't know why I'm being so anal...

I hear you dude! the first ever chamber music group i was in at the end of high school was so bad it wasn't even funny!! I sorta understand now...lol

 

[Barking Pumpkin]

It's a variation. Much more interesting than bands who think they're cool because they sample some classical thing.

 

[1by4by9]

Against common procedure I decided to search some old topics.

One example of variation can be heard by playing ancient PC game Syndicate by Bullfrog.