Ok, here's your blind test between the Mesa Rectifier and its Kemper version....
watch in 1080pHD and read the yt description!
watch in 1080pHD and read the yt description!
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Kemper vs Mesa BLIND TEST
- Thread starter Lasse Lammert
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Does anyone else hear volume swells in this clip?
EDIT - must be my KMplayer?
I'm having trouble finding the transition, but the second part is Kemper. I hear it at the end. I'm about 90% sure
1:35 is what gave it away
EDIT - must be my KMplayer?
I'm having trouble finding the transition, but the second part is Kemper. I hear it at the end. I'm about 90% sure
1:35 is what gave it away
lolzgreg
Cereal Shipping Sneapster
I hear it changing a handful of times.
Here I go:
Mesa 0:00-0:04
Kemper 0:05-0:11
Mesa 0:12-0:19
Kemper 0:20-0:24
Mesa 0:25-0:29
Kemper 0:30-0:37
Etc.........
What I'm identifying as "Kemper" sounds a hair stuffy in the midrange and has less sparkle up top.
If I switched the two up, the Kemper sounds better than the real amp.
Here I go:
Mesa 0:00-0:04
Kemper 0:05-0:11
Mesa 0:12-0:19
Kemper 0:20-0:24
Mesa 0:25-0:29
Kemper 0:30-0:37
Etc.........
What I'm identifying as "Kemper" sounds a hair stuffy in the midrange and has less sparkle up top.
If I switched the two up, the Kemper sounds better than the real amp.
Keregioz
Kimon Zeliotis
Yeah, I can definitely hear it at 0.24, 0.58, 1.34, 1.43.... that awful digital hiss and definitely something's wrong with the mids, they have that "modeler" quality....
Nah, J/K, can't hear shit.
Nah, J/K, can't hear shit.
Empathy
Bulging Member
Listened on headphones, can't hear a difference.
My excuse is I just got home from the local racetrack, and my bike is fucking loud.
My excuse is I just got home from the local racetrack, and my bike is fucking loud.
XxSicRokerxX
Gabriel R.
0:00 - 0:04 Mesa
0:05 - 0:10 Kemper
I can tell a difference in grainyness in those parts, Mesa is smooth, Kemper is grainy. The faster parts are difficult to differentiate.
0:05 - 0:10 Kemper
I can tell a difference in grainyness in those parts, Mesa is smooth, Kemper is grainy. The faster parts are difficult to differentiate.
Here's some visual help:
Same track...still not telling you which colour belongs to which amp:
Same track...still not telling you which colour belongs to which amp:
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I dont hear a change until 0:43 where the sound becomes really messy, and up untill then i think its the real deal. After 0:43 its the Kemper and at around 1:33 it goes back to the real amp.
I am most likely wrong but thats how i hear it, good test though.
To me the kemper still has a signature flatness to the sound that represents digital for me, but it goes to show that we can be fooled.
But we are getting closer to the analog emulation and someday i will like the next kemper/axe-fx im sure, but for now ill stick to my tube amps.
How are your own thoughts on this Mr. Lammert?
I am most likely wrong but thats how i hear it, good test though.
To me the kemper still has a signature flatness to the sound that represents digital for me, but it goes to show that we can be fooled.
But we are getting closer to the analog emulation and someday i will like the next kemper/axe-fx im sure, but for now ill stick to my tube amps.
How are your own thoughts on this Mr. Lammert?
Keregioz
Kimon Zeliotis
Based on the second vid I would say green is the kemper. I say this mainly because of the palm mutes, I think they sound slightly tighter and also by looking at the wave form were there are peaks when you palm mute. Both those characteristics I always notice in digital amp modelers. Can't say I like any one better than the other though. At least based on this clip. Like I said before I would've never noticed any difference without the visual aid.
yeah, it's ridiculously close, everyone who says he'd notice a difference in a full mix is full of shit
I'm getting the funniest responses on other forums though....NOONE was able to tell a difference or pick the transition without the visual aid (well, Greg was extremely close), most people didn't even notice that there's more than one change...now with the second video everyone is like ""green/purple" is definitely the Kemper", and some of those are the same people that weren't able to tell there's a transition at all w/o the visual aid.
I'm getting the funniest responses on other forums though....NOONE was able to tell a difference or pick the transition without the visual aid (well, Greg was extremely close), most people didn't even notice that there's more than one change...now with the second video everyone is like ""green/purple" is definitely the Kemper", and some of those are the same people that weren't able to tell there's a transition at all w/o the visual aid.
yeah, it's ridiculously close, everyone who says he'd notice a difference in a full mix is full of shit
I'm getting the funniest responses on other forums though....NOONE was able to tell a difference or pick the transition without the visual aid (well, Greg was extremely close), most people didn't even notice that there's more than one change...now with the second video everyone is like ""green/purple" is definitely the Kemper", and some of those are the same people that weren't able to tell there's a transition at all w/o the visual aid.
I agree. I knew i was most likely wrong, and thats how it goes.
I have no illusions that the kemper is good at what it does and that i have no golden ears.
My problem with the kemper is still that it sounds digital in most cases out there still of the clips i`ve heard.
For this style and compressed sound you have hear the difference is not noticable. I would like to hear more dynamic stuff though, a sound with more "texture" because there i still see the kemper fall short, again i might be wrong.
When i hear a clip on the net of the kemper it still sounds digital to me.
There is nothing i would like more than a kemper, its smarter in all ways than a big messy tubeamp setup. But to me the sound still needs the few last bits.
One day.....
I agree. I knew i was most likely wrong, and thats how it goes.
I have no illusions that the kemper is good at what it does and that i have no golden ears.
My problem with the kemper is still that it sounds digital in most cases out there still of the clips i`ve heard.
For this style and compressed sound you have hear the difference is not noticable. I would like to hear more dynamic stuff though, a sound with more "texture" because there i still see the kemper fall short, again i might be wrong.
When i hear a clip on the net of the kemper it still sounds digital to me.
There is nothing i would like more than a kemper, its smarter in all ways than a big messy tubeamp setup. But to me the sound still needs the few last bits.
One day.....
quite a paradoxical statement
quite a paradoxical statement
Indeed. Tone is subjective and changes all time.
My point was i like the obvious benefits of the kemper but still in love with tube tone.
kev
Im guybrush threepwood
Got to admit I'd have a job on differentiating those, and I'm sure its never going to be decipherable in a mix- and if you could why would you care? After a couple of listens I'd probably say purple was the mesa though. Any post proc on these?
The problems that both axe fx and kemper face of course are in feeling and live room sound projection. Like somebody said on youtube, you can EQ match some of the worlds most rancid modellers and they'll still come up trumps in a mix scenario.
There has always been some dimension lost as a trade off when using the products, but as an axe fx II user one I have been willing to make due to the amazing array of tonal possibilities. If you are always going direct to PA anyway, you're going to care even less about using modellers.
Thanks for the test Lasse
The problems that both axe fx and kemper face of course are in feeling and live room sound projection. Like somebody said on youtube, you can EQ match some of the worlds most rancid modellers and they'll still come up trumps in a mix scenario.
There has always been some dimension lost as a trade off when using the products, but as an axe fx II user one I have been willing to make due to the amazing array of tonal possibilities. If you are always going direct to PA anyway, you're going to care even less about using modellers.
Thanks for the test Lasse
lolzgreg
Cereal Shipping Sneapster
Why thank you
I saw I got a handful right, but also missed a transition.
That being said, it wasn't a glaring difference by any means, and it's a damn close comparison. I'm glad you did this
Cheers,
Greg
Trevoire520
Member
I don't hear the difference. I think I can hear a difference when I watch the video with the pro tools session but going back to the blind one I don't hear anything. Do you do anything different when refining? Most people don't seem to get that close to the real amp. Might have to pick one up soon.
Sacha
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