Let's talk control surfaces

John_C

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After watching CLA videos and drooling over having an SSL console, I've decided that i'd love to have a control surface to get some real tactile control over faders and basic fx stuff.

So what's out there at the cheaper end of the market?
 
Here's some options:
Über cheap: Behringer BCF2000 - http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_bcf_2000.htm
Cheap, not yet released: QCON icon - http://www.icon-global.com/music/music/product.php?cpl2shu1_id=4&cpl3shu1_id=4&cpl3shu2_id=76
Fairly cheap used, discontinued: Tascam US2400 - http://www.tascam.com/products/us-2400.html
Mid-priced, expendable: Mackie Control Universal Pro - http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MCUpro/
A bit more expensive used, discontinued: Digidesign Control24 - http://cgi.ebay.com/DigiDesign-Cont...tem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5c281432
 
Dude go for 2 BCF2000 they fucking do teh job at a low price... Yeah i agree the lack of LED are a downer but still they get the job done. Ive owned mine for about 4 months and Im very happy with it never had an issue and u can program them to do about what ever u want(something i need to get into lol)
 
so could i run 2 of the behringer units together? i'm quite tempted by 2 BCF2000s considering the number of channels for so little money
i'm planning to get a dedicated screen for my mix window so the lack of LEDs doesn't really bother me as i'll have all that in view anyway
 
so could i run 2 of the behringer units together? i'm quite tempted by 2 BCF2000s considering the number of channels for so little money
i'm planning to get a dedicated screen for my mix window so the lack of LEDs doesn't really bother me as i'll have all that in view anyway

yeah man...do that...you wont need it. I own a MotorMix and i'm always thinking i could live without it, and just the other day i turned off for a while and man!! do i need it!!

solos, mutes, and selecting channels are a pain in the ass to do with a mouse...and very fast if you have a controler.

go for it! get two of them hoes and start feeling like you have an ssl haha :lol:
 
Here's some options:
Über cheap: Behringer BCF2000 - http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_bcf_2000.htm
Cheap, not yet released: QCON icon - http://www.icon-global.com/music/music/product.php?cpl2shu1_id=4&cpl3shu1_id=4&cpl3shu2_id=76
Fairly cheap used, discontinued: Tascam US2400 - http://www.tascam.com/products/us-2400.html
Mid-priced, expendable: Mackie Control Universal Pro - http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MCUpro/
A bit more expensive used, discontinued: Digidesign Control24 - http://cgi.ebay.com/DigiDesign-Control-24-MC124-Focusrite-Mixer-MC-124-/250654233650?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5c281432
Let me add this to the list:

A bit more expensive than the Mackie but also looks better and is supposed to be good. Plus Argosy makes a dedicated desk for these: http://www.euphonix.com/artist/solutions/music.php
 
I'd love to have the euphonix mc mix, even if the price is a bit steep, but now that avid has taken over euphonix i don't see reaper support in the foreseeable future :(
 
Wow I am glad to see the Mackie one still around. I thought I heard a rumour they were going away.

Anyway the Behringer BCF2000 works really well. And the latest ones use better fader motors for better control and they are quieter. It is actually surprisingly solid feeling too.

If you look around for the BCFView software (on Behringer's site I think) it brings up a display that you can line with the BCF on your computer monitor. Definitely a reasonable workaround.

I use mine when mixing. I also use it when tracking to control my MOTU CueMix for zero latency monitoring.

The Frontier Alphatrack is also cool. If my Novation Nocturn had faders, I would highly recommend that. But it is still awesome for rotary controls. The Automap works really well and programming it is the easiest I have seen.
 
I use an Alphatrack and I love it, but mostly for the transport controls. I thought I'd use it for adjusting volumes and automation, but I realised I'm much too obsessive-compulsive for my track volumes to not sit at regular increments. I can't handle looking at a track whose volume is 1.357 dB, for example, and the TV volume has to be on an even number, preferably a multiple of 6.

Don't judge me...

Anyway, the Euphonix MC Mix controller is fantastic IF you're only ever going to be using it on a Mac. There are no Windows drivers and at this rate I doubt there ever will be. The BCF2000 is good value but the faders are not touch-sensitive - if they're reading automation and you try to change them, they'll fight you (unless your DAW intelligently tells them not to). The Mackie Control units are not good value and have a surprisingly high failure rate for a Mackie product.

If you have the ability to try one out, try recording and mixing a complete test song (a cover, or whatever) on a borrowed unit / studio. Make sure it's actually something that will help you (and that amount of money would require it to be pretty damn helpful). I never grew up with analog consoles, I've always just used DAWs, so I don't really have a concept of tactile feedback for audio mixing and don't find a proper control surface to be helpful to me - it would just take up desk space. Make sure it's really something you need, rather than something that makes you go "ooh shiny!".

One other option is an iPad with controller software, which is a cool and novel idea for an external controller you can touch and draw automation with, but with the obvious drawback of no tactile feedback.