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tuning some kind of gruffed up singing - of course melodyne hates these. after correcting the pitches to where they should be, im getting way too many artifacts and clicks to have them of any use. using the melodyne editor plugin sounds better to me, but im still getting artifacts/weird behaviour and its buggy as fuck. also not really the plugins fault, but hitting edit undo in logic causes the plugin to be removed and you lose everything you are doing - and im only doing one line at a time!

download the demo of antares evo now, im hoping this will sort them out (although im not too keen on spending even more money on an autotune).

not happy.
 
I agree with you on Melodyne and its inability to track a gruffed up voice. Useless, even when the singer is right on key.
 
I use melodyne plugin (not the new editor) and I don't get any clicks and artifacts. What's really annoying though is that melodyne shifts the audio inside the region when you bounce so even if you align the bounced track with the raw track, it's still out of time at certain times throughout the song!
 
the biggest problem to me was to sync it to protools.
After everything was fixed in melodyne then importing the file in PT it was always a bit off time lol
Autotune plugin was better to me, just faster and practical.
People say melodyne sounds a lot more natural, I play with not that much because of that issue I had
 
I had those problems with Melodyne before but I still say it's the best. I tried Evo and it's good, but the workflow didn't fit me. Really, they all have problems fixing certain vocals. It's hit or miss but what do you expect, when a singer can't sing, maybe it's their destiny to be heard out of tune lol.:goggly: A big thing I suggest, export the vocals and do them in their own project. Melodyne can have issues with other stuff running on the project.
 
i have literally just installed the demo of evo, went over about 10 secs over the MPPT dvd vid, and im already blitzing through these vocals with way more success. barely any artifacts, no loss of high end, and handling these vocals much better. really liking it actually.

when i used melodyne, i always did it in the standalone program. id have a rough mix of the track and then all the vocal tracks spread over the other tracks - for tuning harmonies etc this is a really good way of doing it. id rather do it like that than have a ton of different plugin windows open.

i suppose owning both will have its benefits.
 
I never understood manual correction in Autotune. You are drawing random straight lines over a grid of bizarre wave forms that make no sense and I never understood exactly what it is doing. When you draw a straight line, is it completely flattening the vibrato in the voice at that section? Melodyne's interface seems so much simpler to me, just dragging the notes where they are supposed to be and using the other tools to adjust other aspects of them accordingly. Visually it's a lot more intuitive :/

Any good tutorials on EVO anywhere I can look at? Maybe something will finally click, I would definitely prefer to do everything in the host and I've heard Antares sounds a bit better as well.
 
I use Autotune 5, and when setting the tracking to "Relaxed" in the options menu, it can work really well on gruffed-up vocals. It still really depends on the exact singer and vocal, but AT is the best I've worked with so far.
 
Interesting, I was debating whether to look into another auto tune because although melodyne sometimes does the job, it's not quite as finicky as I'd like it to be able to be.
I'm used to V-Vocal from Sonar and I think Antares is more like V-vocal but dunno if it's worth the extra money.
Guess I'll just have to demo like the OP.
 
C5 integrated tuner rules but sometimes it can be less flexible than Melodyne. The workflow is MUCH better tho´ (for the plugin...the external editor is another story..)
 
freddrik said:
I use melodyne plugin (not the new editor) and I don't get any clicks and artifacts. What's really annoying though is that melodyne shifts the audio inside the region when you bounce so even if you align the bounced track with the raw track, it's still out of time at certain times throughout the song!
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Newest version should be sample accurate.
 
the melodyne plugin is terrible. editor doesn't like tempo changes, isn't sample accurate (the new version really isn't sample accurate) and looks terrid.

i'd get autotune, but it's cheaper to upgrade than to jump ship.. and for all i hate melodyne, it does work.. usually..

thanks,
 
AdamWathan said:
I never understood manual correction in Autotune. You are drawing random straight lines over a grid of bizarre wave forms that make no sense and I never understood exactly what it is doing. When you draw a straight line, is it completely flattening the vibrato in the voice at that section? Melodyne's interface seems so much simpler to me, just dragging the notes where they are supposed to be and using the other tools to adjust other aspects of them accordingly. Visually it's a lot more intuitive :/

Any good tutorials on EVO anywhere I can look at? Maybe something will finally click, I would definitely prefer to do everything in the host and I've heard Antares sounds a bit better as well.
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Yeah.. Melodyne doesn't sound as good but the workflow is just so much better. Snap-to-nearest note, then adjust the ones that didn't work out. Then you can flatten vibrato, or enhance it or whatever. If I want the 'autotune effect' of snapping to notes, just insert GSnap after it.

Autotune not only confuses the FUCK out of me, but it seems to have a different purpose.. always snapping to the nearest note, which to me is not always desirable.. and very obvious audibly to me. Melodyne has a few issues but is much more versatile imo.
 
Morgan C said:
Yeah.. Melodyne doesn't sound as good but the workflow is just so much better. Snap-to-nearest note, then adjust the ones that didn't work out. Then you can flatten vibrato, or enhance it or whatever. If I want the 'autotune effect' of snapping to notes, just insert GSnap after it.
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We are talking gruff vocals right?? In general melodyne sounds so much better then autotune. With melodyne you can pitch up/down harmonics without it sound like a mouse. Sure before when you had to use it through melodyne bridge the big disadvantage was the work flow. But that has all been taken care off
 
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