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Monitors?
- Thread starter Axell Strad
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Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
Because you might want to hear some other instruments, too. It's good for, you know, playing with a band.
xFkx
gain induction
Well if you intend to play for 50 people for the rest of your life then yeah, fuck monitors. Other than that they're pretty handy :Smug:
Your vocalist might benefit from them too...
Just sayin'
Your vocalist might benefit from them too...
Just sayin'
AHZ
AE
Yeah, monitors are of the utmost importance for the vocals. You can play your guitar/bass/keys/whatever even without monitoring. It will be muddy, but you can play it. With vocals, you HAVE to hear yourself. Otherwise, you'll start to battle the mic/PA in order to hear yourself (which is like fighting against windmills - you just can't win), which will eventually lead to you losing your voice and you sounding like shit.
Melb_shredder
Orpheus: Melodic Death
just adding to the already mentioned stuff. foldback is great for hearing the others eg vocals/ some of yourself sometimes etc. or other guitarist/ keyboardist. it's always important to hear what you need to hear. it's not easy to get perfect though *i feel for foldback guys*
Mago
Austrian Blech Machine
Allready not heared a 4x12 cab on stages that weren't THAT big (not tiny, but not huge or anything).
I really really hate bad monitoring.
But yeah, if you play "music" were nobody gives a fuck how it sounds anyway then no, you don't need monitors on stage.
I really really hate bad monitoring.
But yeah, if you play "music" were nobody gives a fuck how it sounds anyway then no, you don't need monitors on stage.
guitarguru777
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Its comes down to the size of the venue really. When my band plays clubs with a 200 capacity monitors for me as guitarist make little difference. I can usually hear everything onstage from my position at stage right.
When it comes to playing festivals and 5000+ venues the stages are larger and as soon as you get out 10 to 15ft from your cab you cant hear it. At that point I think monitors are your lifeline to the rest of the band.
Perfect example is when we played Milwalkee Metafest in mid 90s. Crowd screaming, 100ft of stage 20ft deep, your amps are pretty far from you and you need to be able to hear yourself at the front of the stage cause if theirs no monitors are you hear is people screaming and possibly the snare drum
When it comes to playing festivals and 5000+ venues the stages are larger and as soon as you get out 10 to 15ft from your cab you cant hear it. At that point I think monitors are your lifeline to the rest of the band.
Perfect example is when we played Milwalkee Metafest in mid 90s. Crowd screaming, 100ft of stage 20ft deep, your amps are pretty far from you and you need to be able to hear yourself at the front of the stage cause if theirs no monitors are you hear is people screaming and possibly the snare drum
HeadCrusher
Member
Always place guitar cabs on the side of the stage aiming inwards rather than behind the guitar players.
guitarguru777
Member
Ashgarth
Jordi Vaquero
I want to try this monitor sooo badly
Array technology for monitors...still have to wait till november to try this, but it'll be worth it!
Yeah...who wants monitors?
Array technology for monitors...still have to wait till november to try this, but it'll be worth it!
Yeah...who wants monitors?
DEFIED
Member
Woa that looks really cool! The one who suffers the most from bad monitoring is my drummer. If stuff is not monitored correctly, he cant hear guitars since the cabs are facing away from him. And then its just guess work during stops and stuff for him. We're supposed to be following him anyways, so it shouldn't matter 
Solution: Rotate your cabs 90 degrees so that cabinet is blasting over the stage (not into the audience).Woa that looks really cool! The one who suffers the most from bad monitoring is my drummer. If stuff is not monitored correctly, he cant hear guitars since the cabs are facing away from him. And then its just guess work during stops and stuff for him. We're supposed to be following him anyways, so it shouldn't matter
HeadCrusher
Member
Well, that's what I suggested a few posts earlier:
That's the reply I got:
Anyway, I stand by my statement. Blasting the guitars into the crowd gives you a spot of one meter to the left/right of the cabs at max where you can here it whereas the way we do it we can hear ourselves more or less all over the stage. Another advantage of this option is that you don't need so much guitars in the monitors which lowers your stage volume and you are less reliant on the monitor guy.
Yeah, sidefills are nice but are you sure someone who asks what monitors are for in general is playing venues that have them?
Also I don't see any reason why I shouldn't still have my cab on the side of the stage even if there are sidefills. Again: Less stage volume, clearer monitor mix etc.
As long as you are micing the cabs they are of no good for the crowd (other than looks maybe but screw that) so why point them their way?
John_C
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guitarguru777
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This is the most TRUE statement ever. You amp should never be loud enough to be heard over the drums. as a FOH guy I can tell you if you want to sound GREAT out of the PA in the venue, keep you volume down to a manageable level.
I don't have an issue with giving everyone EXACTLY what they want in the monitors. If you run into a sound guy who is a dick like that report him to the club, and tell them you cant do your job if you don't have whats needed.
Being in a band in Vegas has its privileges. No less then 4 separate monitor mixes in every venue I play. Side fills, acoustic treatment above and to the sides of the stage to minimize reflectivity.
Another option is to run your own Mix and give the FOH guy 2 cables and tell him here is the left side, here is the right side ... have fun. My band has done this on hundreds of gigs and it always makes things a shit ton easier on the band. Of course having an in-ear monitor system helps with this.
And thats why rotating your cabinet 90 degrees is a good idea.
When i do FOH/monitors for a band i used to have the guitars on 3 monitors (drummer, bassist and the singer monitor).
Since i rotated the guitar cabinet 90 degrees everyone was able to hear to the guitars without monitors, only the vocals need a monitor now.
Also almost no stage bleed from the guitars.
Ofcourse, when you play in a huge venue with 1000+ people this is another story. But then: in-ear monitoring.
