my latest work. no samples, impulses, or amp sims included.
- Thread starter Where She Wept
- Start date
What!? No one wants to critique a mix that's a real representation of a band, not a chopped, edited, and programmed representation of one with fake drum sounds and simulated guitar and bass sounds!?
kev
Im guybrush threepwood
Zack Uidl
Member
Guitars sound really muddy, drums are distant ("dead" snare, low kick and more punch in the kick needed), Vocals lack up front power.
The overall music has potential, but the mix needs work. I would redo the guitars and drums mainly.
The overall music has potential, but the mix needs work. I would redo the guitars and drums mainly.
Unavailable
Member
Raw doesn't have to sound bad dude. At least bring the snare, kick and vocals more up front.
And cut back on the boominess in the guitars.
And cut back on the boominess in the guitars.
Zombietakeover
Member
I'll give you credit for trying to make the best of your recording and mixing without using samples and what not, keep it up and when you go to do mixes with samples and alike, I think you'll get some great results, also, I think you'll find it easier to get a solid sound. It's good to practice keeping things "organic". On the mix that you posted though, are you close mic'ing the drums? It's sound very bedroom like, I am, however, listening on a laptop computer, but from what it sounds like, the drums are very small sounding. Others already mentioned the guitar sound so i wont bring that up, along with vox. What were some of the signal chains? Like guitars for instance?
TheDude
Jocke Skog
Goddamn I hate Myspace. the stupid mediaplayer works like 30% of the times, it takes fucking forever to load, and the sound is...
I'd love to hear it though, but I don't have the time or patience to listen to music on myspace.
I'd love to hear it though, but I don't have the time or patience to listen to music on myspace.
Sinister Mephisto
1337
- Sep 20, 2005
- 2,900
- 1
- 38
Yeah I know. This forum is way biased towards good recordings and mixes. Lame.
People on this forum like plenty of CDs without samples etc, we just like them to sound good. No samples isn't an excuse for lack of quality and neither is wanting something to sound raw. Your demeanor is condescending and disrespectful of all the helpful people on this forum.
MetallyGuitarded
He whom thou art not
I'm not a big fan of the mix or the music WhereSheWept although I went through a phase where I loved stuff that was sludgy and raw. That said, I've heard much worse. Kinda has an Obituary thing going on and I can certainly appreciate that. I'd try to get a little more definition to each instrument but I'm more of a older Grave / older Entombed kinda guy when it comes to that kinda low, slow and sludgy stuff.
MetallyGuitarded
He whom thou art not
I'm guilty of that. I've heard many albums with good music that I got rid of or didn't buy cause the mix was just too shitty.
I am arguing on another part of the forum where I miss the rawness of true recordings.
My love for the old vibe does not sway me into liking your shit mix/recordings though.
There is a difference between vibe and flub.
It sounds like you mic'd everything up with bass drum mics wrapped in towels.
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
Your having the same problem I am IMO. I commend you on trying the raw effect but I to think the mix is to muddy. The guitars are dark as hell and the low end is to wooly (not in a good way).
I'm condescending when people have done nothing but insult the work i did? Just becasue it doesn't sound like the latest work from Andy Sneap or James Murphy means it's shit and lame? that style of production wouldn't work with this type of music.
I lament the death of recording "music". of capturing a band's vibe and attitude.
I'm sorry for being so condescending, i guess becasue the Sneapsters said my work was shit i might as well just give up. I'll just put Andy Sneap's samples on everything and use guitarhack's impulses on everthing else and maybe i'll finally get some respect after i cut and paste every recording project into the same mold in an attempt at duplicating Andy Sneap's awesome production work. even when a band doesn't warrant that type of sound, i'll make them sound like that anyway because that's my job as a recoding engineer. Thank you guys for setting me staight.
(and a serious thanks to the couple of people who commented without calling it lame or shit)
Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
Dude, I really don't intend to sound like a dick, but I guess I'm gonna end up doing exactly that.
Only one person in this thread called your mix shitty (and yeah, I do agree that it was uncalled for), and no-one called it lame. You actually got some spot-on constructive criticism in the first two posts, and immediately after that you started the whole "I knew you wouldn't understand"-mumble. And now you start bashing other, completely bystanding people's work as a counterattack? There are dudes here who have gotten awesome results - be it raw or polished - with the samples and impulses you mentioned, and believe me, they have done a lot of work to get their sound. This sub forum is called "Rate my mix", therefore a song posted here is going to be rated and commented even if the feedback wouldn't be all positive front and back. If I were you, I'd be grateful for the feedback the guys gave you instead of stepping into defence stance. After all, you never learn to be better at what you do if all feedback you get is slaps on on the back and compliments. I'm not in a position to say this, but my mixes have improved in fucking huge measures thanks to the criticism I've gotten from this board.
If you don't want help, then fine, don't. I'd still strongly suggest you to fiddle with the attitude knob until you find a tone that works.
Only one person in this thread called your mix shitty (and yeah, I do agree that it was uncalled for), and no-one called it lame. You actually got some spot-on constructive criticism in the first two posts, and immediately after that you started the whole "I knew you wouldn't understand"-mumble. And now you start bashing other, completely bystanding people's work as a counterattack? There are dudes here who have gotten awesome results - be it raw or polished - with the samples and impulses you mentioned, and believe me, they have done a lot of work to get their sound. This sub forum is called "Rate my mix", therefore a song posted here is going to be rated and commented even if the feedback wouldn't be all positive front and back. If I were you, I'd be grateful for the feedback the guys gave you instead of stepping into defence stance. After all, you never learn to be better at what you do if all feedback you get is slaps on on the back and compliments. I'm not in a position to say this, but my mixes have improved in fucking huge measures thanks to the criticism I've gotten from this board.
If you don't want help, then fine, don't. I'd still strongly suggest you to fiddle with the attitude knob until you find a tone that works.
Unavailable
Member
You are obviously denying that your mix needs work.
If you can't hear what needs changing, and reject our criticism (which should be helping you learn), then give up.
If you can't hear what needs changing, and reject our criticism (which should be helping you learn), then give up.
AdamWathan
Member
Yeah it sort of sounds like you highpassed the whole mix at like 500hz... Making something sound raw isn't the same as just making it sound bad... The vocals are barely audible as are the toms and it seems like everything is fighting for the same frequency range in the mix...
I also don't want to appear to be a dick, but this is just ridiculous...
What you don't quite seem to understand, is that people here were actually trying to help you and didn't say anything uncalled for at all until you turned into a prick.
And yes, you are condescending. Well done.
Asking for peoples feedback, and then saying "I didn't think any of you would understand" when you don't like their answer is condescending.
You can't post a thread in a forum for rating a mix, and then effectively tell people that their opinions on what would make it better are wrong.
The mix sounds mushy, it sounds as if you've put a single mic in the middle of the room and just hit record (not saying that's what you did, but if you like this sort of sound, it could be a time-saver). And as much as you may think that this sort of approach "captures the vibe of the band", you don't have to have a bad sounding mix to achieve this. Recording audio well, and actually being able to hear the instruments properly just makes things less taxing to listen to, so you can listen to everything the band is doing. There really isn't any specific advantage to not being able to hear the vocals properly is there? Right now, listening to this is actually difficult, because I am constantly aware that it's annoyingly hard to make out all of the instruments.
The reason you are now provoking so many negative responses, is not because of the mix, it's becauuse you're being a tit.
And fuck the whole "sorry it doesn't sound like Andy Sneap" sarcasm bollocks.
Take a look at the title of the forum.
That is not to say that people shouldn't post things that don't sound the same as Andy Sneaps stuff, because there wouldn't be any posts, it's just that you can't post something that is going in the exact opposite direction from what everyone on this forum considers as good, and then expect everyone to love it. Extreme example, but would you post an advert for a Snoop Dogg show on a white power forum, and expect people to go "oh fuck yeah bitch, that shit is taight!" ? Post stuff like this by all means, but atleast be polite when people point out it's flaws in order to try and give you a helping hand.
If this sound was REALLY what you are going for, and you are as incredibly proud of it as you appear to be, then why post it up here? It's not the, "HAI guyz! Look at me I am cool" section...
/End rant
What you don't quite seem to understand, is that people here were actually trying to help you and didn't say anything uncalled for at all until you turned into a prick.
And yes, you are condescending. Well done.
Asking for peoples feedback, and then saying "I didn't think any of you would understand" when you don't like their answer is condescending.
You can't post a thread in a forum for rating a mix, and then effectively tell people that their opinions on what would make it better are wrong.
The mix sounds mushy, it sounds as if you've put a single mic in the middle of the room and just hit record (not saying that's what you did, but if you like this sort of sound, it could be a time-saver). And as much as you may think that this sort of approach "captures the vibe of the band", you don't have to have a bad sounding mix to achieve this. Recording audio well, and actually being able to hear the instruments properly just makes things less taxing to listen to, so you can listen to everything the band is doing. There really isn't any specific advantage to not being able to hear the vocals properly is there? Right now, listening to this is actually difficult, because I am constantly aware that it's annoyingly hard to make out all of the instruments.
The reason you are now provoking so many negative responses, is not because of the mix, it's becauuse you're being a tit.
And fuck the whole "sorry it doesn't sound like Andy Sneap" sarcasm bollocks.
Take a look at the title of the forum.
That is not to say that people shouldn't post things that don't sound the same as Andy Sneaps stuff, because there wouldn't be any posts, it's just that you can't post something that is going in the exact opposite direction from what everyone on this forum considers as good, and then expect everyone to love it. Extreme example, but would you post an advert for a Snoop Dogg show on a white power forum, and expect people to go "oh fuck yeah bitch, that shit is taight!" ? Post stuff like this by all means, but atleast be polite when people point out it's flaws in order to try and give you a helping hand.
If this sound was REALLY what you are going for, and you are as incredibly proud of it as you appear to be, then why post it up here? It's not the, "HAI guyz! Look at me I am cool" section...
/End rant
