Need help with my tone.

[Jan [MTW]]

Hey,
I just recorded a short clip on my new Adam A3X today.
When i listen to this clip on my A3X it sounds fairly good to me,
but when i listen to it on other devices like my ipod it sounds
horrible.
Please help me to improve my mixes!

Guitar : Line6 PodFarm
Bass Guitar : Spectrasonics Trillian
Drums : SSD 3.5 Ex

Heres the Link :
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11343186/2011.wav

Update :
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11343186/2012.wav

Update 2 (changed a few things) :
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11343186/2012 (3).mp3

Update 3 (brought down the snare + more compression)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11343186/2013.mp3

-TheJoker

 

[reg3n]

Sounds too low to me, the kick is inmense , but in a bad way, take a lot of low end out of that, get a stronger bassline, the tone doesn't seem bad, the drums in general are way too loud compared to the other instruments, apart from some eq'ing here and there i would use more compression, and a limiter on top, at least. Nice riff

 

[CSMadden81243]

first things first, turn guitars up, next add some brightness to them (cause they're pretty muddy).

 

[Jan [MTW]]

Thanks for the nice advice guys!

I'll take the low-end out of the kick tomorrow.
But I don't really seem to get the guitars less muddy...
I tried boosting it around 5k, but it got too fizzy then.

Is there anywhere a nice tutorial how i can archieve a good tone with Trillian?
I'm not really experienced with Bass-tones in general.

-TheJoker

 

[leaky24]

The mud frequencies can be found in the 200 - 300Hz region.

 

[Wolfeman]

Guitars are way too quite. I think if you bump them the whole thing will open up a bit more and then we can go from there.

 

[Jan [MTW]]

Okay I brought the guitars up now.
I took the low-end out of the kick.
I changed the bassline.
I made a cut at 300hz where i had a boost before!
I used more compression.

But for some reason it sounds even worse to me than before.

 

[CSMadden81243]

i listened to update #2 and it sounds better, but guitars could still come up just a bit, and snare could go down a little (or kick could come up). toms sound very weird imo, almost as if there are no close mic's but only rooms. might be an eq problem or something else entirely, i'm not sure.

 

[reg3n]

i think the last update sounds a lot better, mud sections are around 400hz and 800hz mostly, you can play a bit there, use your ears a lot, i rarely boost guitars, and i'd think twice before boosting 5khz or 6khz, that's the scratchiest area and it's full of noise there, i like more taking out the shit out of the tone instead of boosting... at least that's the way i go, i own Trillian but i find myself using my pitched guitar as a bass most of the time too, it has "that" articulation... and it's a lot easier to just record when you're writing a song! don't think it sounds worse because it just lacks the low end excess, you maybe need to make it sound fuller, warm the low end (even taking more lows out of EVERYTHING, including the whole drumkit piece by piece, everything that is making that area build up) to my ears at least, you made a step forward

 

[oroinvictus]

Those toms sound like you're only hearing the room mics...

 

[Jan [MTW]]

Yea I agree that there's something weird going on with the toms.
I'l try to fix this tomorrow. And i also will try to improve the guitars a bit
with EQing.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11343186/2013.mp3

Here I brought the snare down a bit. And maybe the toms are a
little better already.

Edit: How do i have to pitch my guitar so that it sounds like a bass?
I really wanna try that!

 

[reg3n]

I use chopitch for the pitch shifting, just play your guitar like a bass, using the bridge pickup, pick really close to that bridge

http://www.mathons.com/downloads.htm

Then, use two "warp" plugins one after the other, you'll get a nice bass tone there, this technique is from behindert!

 

[Jan [MTW]]

Thanks ... But what's a warp plugin? Never heard that before.

 

[reg3n]

this one http://www.cube-tec.com/projects/warp.html can't find a better link! it's actually kind of an oldie...

 

[CSMadden81243]

how do you acquire the warp vst? there is no link on that website to buy or download it or anything