Need opinion on a mix

[John Haddad (Shiva Industries)]

I recently mixed this song down for a client of mine and there are 8 others in the same mix manner - ie - mix levels and tones. I feel the guitars are too loud but the client wanted it that way, please listen and shoot some feedback - weather about the volume of the guitars or just overall mix as a whole. Any suggestions would be helpful - We were going for the old school - Entomed/ Dismember production midranged gutiar tones and such........ Thanks in advance!

http://www.shivaindustries.com/stateofmind.mp3

 

[kaomao]

Guitar on right is louder than the one on left.
I hear a lot of pops going on. I think you have to raise that snare, it's too weak.
I like the tune, it's great!

Maurizio

 

[John Haddad (Shiva Industries)]

Thanks for the listen, I too think the snare is weak in volume - I believe the guitars are EQed in such a way that its fighting the sonics of the snare and vox, And I still believe overall the guitars are too loud, Im trying to justify a re-mix, but as time and money goes you know the gig........

 

[Black neon bob]

I love this tune!

Wow man... excellent sound on the guitars.. i agree what has been said about the snare.. i really dig the bass and drums the most...

Sounds good to me!

 

[John Haddad (Shiva Industries)]

Thanks the drums are real except for the kicks obviously they are DFH. The Bass was mic using a beta 52 and DI thru a sans amp rack mount. I really wish I could just fly the snare up in the mix. hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm...

 

[John Haddad (Shiva Industries)]

Was curious if anyone else might have a thing or two to say about this mix. Its the first time I put something up here and any input would help.

Thanks and happy turkey day.

 

[evildonkeymaster]

yeah the guitars are throwing the mix off balance the right guitar is louding than the left (look at it in a wav editor the right cahnnel is wayy off balance this will cause all sorts of issue in the mastering process). How far panned out are the guitars and how many guitar tracks are there?

If you EQ the snare snap up a few DB and drop the guitars to an even keel I think you will be closer to a balanced mix.

Oh and I think when you tossed what ever you did over the final mix to give it a :glass master" and compress it for loudness it squashed some of the snare dynamics. I think this is all due to the guitar in the right channel issue. If you solo the left channel snare sounds better than the right.

 

[John Haddad (Shiva Industries)]

Thanks for the input. I tracked 4 seperate guitars 2 mains are panned hard left/right and 2 other 2-3 db lower at about 60% pan with a bit of room verb. Ive had an issue with my console that the right side monitors 1.5 db lower than the left in volume so I tried to compensate by increasing volume on right guitar. I need my tech to come out and take a look.

 

[prowlergrig]

meanwhile can't you just adjust the monitoring level ?

 

[John Haddad (Shiva Industries)]

There is no adjustment toggle left or right within the master module, so I believe the repair is deeper routed than that. Ive tried setting up the output amplifier louder on the right than the left but.........

 

[KillDivision]

Very good!

On guitars: The low-end is a bit shaky, try to fix it with the C4. Also the guitarsound seems to be too direkt to me, not fitting with the other instruments. You have a lot of mid-low. If you would take out some mids (midlow maybe) and add some high frequenties, i think it will sound more balanced and opener.

Snare needs to be louder, but that's already said. I always like the snare to be louder than the kick, sound more natural to me.

My 2cents.

 

[James Murphy]

the snare is a fine level.. don't change it, just adjust the attack and release on the snare compressor to get it popping/thumping more. and bring the guitars down and your snare will be a fine level... refer to my rules in Black Neon Bob's thread, and never listen to the band.

 

[John Haddad (Shiva Industries)]

Thanks James I always believed in the never listen to the band theory but I cant always get passed the paying person, or sometimes i'll sneak my little fixes in when their not listening - but its always for the best.

I appreciate all the feedback left, its just that this is a full length album I wasnt given enough time with and wanted to feel better about releasing it into the world with my name on it. Cheers!!!

 

[Ola Englund]

this sounds fucking evil! I like it alot!!! I agree the guitars sound great but are a tad to strong in the mix!