New album Foregone out February 2023

When I think about DotL/MotU it's a bit like when I think about TJR/Whoracle or Colony/Clayman. Two albums that are similar but different, and both records that I have a lot of love for.

I'd probably pick DotL out of the two if I had to choose one, just because I enjoy that it's a little less polished and has some unusual ideas. MotU is much more refined as an album, and that's not a negative in any way, but I am a sucker for an effort that has some rough edges but has a lot of heart to make up for it. Probably why Skydancer is in my top three DT albums despite it objectively being a beautiful, chaotic mess.
 
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Yeah, I’d agree in saying Gateways is the song that stuck with me more than anything from DotL. I’d love to have more stuff like it on the next album, but I’m not sure how feasible that is given how it was the first song they wrote before pivoting to pure melodeath. I think MotU nails the pure Melodeath songs better overall, has wonderful acoustics, and has Between Directions to carry Gateways’ torch, but DotL does have a nice bit of nostalgia to me. I still vividly remember my first listen to Shadowminds, having been so hyped for the album with their promotional pictures. The band started up in a rough time in my life, and it seriously gave me something to look forward to. MotU feels like the inverse for me where I wasn’t as hyped for it, but it was such an incredible listen front to back, and it really lasted with me. I didn’t quite elaborate on my thoughts before, but that’ll do it a bit.
 
I loved DOTL with its flaws. I love MOTU even though I was not excited for the singles but they grew a lot on me and I think it's a great solid album. I love listening to both albums together. They make an amazing duo and perfectly complement each other.

DOTL is good, but it was very safe and a bit too "yes this exactly what I expected". MOTU isn't perfect either IMO but the peaks are far higher. Conspire to Deceive, Between Directions, A Death That Becomes Us and The Burning Point are all absolute bangers
 
For my money, The Burning Point is the most Jester Race-sounding thing that any member or ex-member of In Flames has produced this millennium.
Speaking of The Jester Race, it turns 30 today. Happy birthday to our favourite Comic Sans-emblazoned, stunningly innovative, soaringly melodic, furiously aggressive, infinitely replayable genre-defining absolute masterpiece. I'd hope that the band might do something to mark it, but it would probably be in vain...
 
The devil sat on my shoulder today and let out an auto-tuned whisper straight into my ear: "let's turn on Down, Wicked & No Good"

I've forgot how much of a joke that shit was.
Not even considering the fact that all four are genuinely great songs, just not... these versions of them.

It's No Good feels like the only one out of three studio-recorded ones that even a sliver of effort was put into by the band. Not that it helped, mind you.

Down in a Hole and Wicked Game feel like those made-for-TikTok covers of popular songs where it's just dramatic/pseudo-cinematic synths, a drum machine, and a girl with a soft voice singing the lyrics without any sense of emotion or purpose that was in the original song, except that in this case the girl was a grown ass man with an ultra-processed, almost robotic at times voice. And sometimes there's a couple of guitar chords in the background by, presumably, Bjorn.

Hurt was erased from everyone's memory so hard that they didn't even acknowledge it in the EP title. I've heard them do it live in 2017 and my mind's defensive mechanisms have also erased that from my memory.

This kinda applies to this whole EP as I've completely forgot about it until today, and now I'll try to forget about it again. Delete the past, every step is pure.
 
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The devil sat on my shoulder today and let out an auto-tuned whisper straight into my ear: "let's turn on Down, Wicked & No Good"

I've forgot how much of a joke that shit was.
Not even considering the fact that all four are genuinely great songs, just not... these versions of them.

It's No Good feels like the only one out of three studio-recorded ones that even a sliver of effort was put into by the band. Not that it helped, mind you.

Down in a Hole and Wicked Game feel like those made-for-TikTok covers of popular songs where it's just dramatic/pseudo-cinematic synths, a drum machine, and a girl with a soft voice singing the lyrics without any sense of emotion or purpose that was in the original song, except that in this case the girl was a grown ass man with an ultra-processed, almost robotic at times voice. And sometimes there's a couple of guitar chords in the background by, presumably, Bjorn.

Hurt was erased from everyone's memory so hard that they didn't even acknowledge it in the EP title. I've heard them do it live in 2017 and my mind's defensive mechanisms have also erased that from my memory.

This kinda applies to this whole EP as I've completely forgot about it until today, and now I'll try to forget about it again. Delete the past, every step is pure.

I actually really love their cover of It’s No Good. I think that sort of new wave/synth rock style was a far better and natural direction for them to go with flirting with pop than Battles tried— Low bar, very low bar, but I think they actually did a great job with both respecting the original and making it their own. Even the autotune sounds natural and like a stylistic decision with primarily reverb and a bit of delay rather than Howard Benson being Howard Benson, which I’m not sure I could say about any other song since Battles.

I think their cover of Down in a Hole would’ve been better if it wasn’t so goddamn sappy and ridden with autotune. It could’ve been something, even if it couldn’t ever have come close to the original with the approach they took. I would’ve actually loved to see In Flames go kind of grunge-y, and I think that genuinely could’ve worked in its own way if they tried it back in the Come Clarity-SOAPF era. Boring, heartthrob pop Down in a Hole though? Not a great move.

Wicked Game is boring, it doesn’t even deserve a paragraph of its own, it’s just the same deal as Down in a Hole but with no potential to be good no matter what they could’ve tried. They should’ve never even considered covering it, the original’s already far and away the weakest song out of the four they covered.

Their cover of Hurt, in studio and live, is a dumpster fire. It’s House-tier. I know Anders screams in it to sound desperate, but it works as well as putting lipstick on the Empire State Building to make it look pretty. It was already a bad plan for them to even attempt to cover either the NIN version or Johnny Cash’s cover, and the band going for a sort of hybrid but not really makes it that much worse.

In a post-Battles/pre-ITM world, the EP actually made me kind of excited for what direction they’d go in because I just listened to their cover of It’s No Good over and over and willingly forgot the others. I also find a sort of beauty in the band covering Depeche Mode so many years apart, with distinctly different approaches, and somehow getting it right (to me) both times. That sort of understated chorus melody is something a lot of people, myself included, loved when they tried it for SOSD, and I think it works even better for their style of brooding, new wave-y synth rock… On the one song. That’s pretty cool, I don’t know. I can’t in good conscience recommend listening to the whole EP either, particularly post-ITM, but their cover It’s No Good is pretty great.
 
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I actually really love their cover of It’s No Good. I think that sort of new wave/synth rock style was a far better and natural direction for them to go with flirting with pop than Battles tried— Low bar, very low bar, but I think they actually did a great job with both respecting the original and making it their own. Even the autotune sounds natural and like a stylistic decision with primarily reverb and a bit of delay rather than Howard Benson being Howard Benson, which I’m not sure I could say about any other song since Battles.
Maybe it's just me liking the original song too much, but it kinda is inferior in every way for me to the point of "why would I ever listen to this instead of that". The only positive things I can say is that it's the best one out of the four covers, and that I also like the little guitar melody they've added after the chorus. Vocals are much, much inferior to the original, too.

I also find a sort of beauty in the band covering Depeche Mode so many years apart, with distinctly different approaches
That's at least interesting, yeah. Maybe something like Depeche Mode's Rush done by them a bit like My Sweet Shadow (and obviously in that time period) could sound pretty cool.
Would be fun to hear them approach covers more in different periods of their career. I think we've only had the Murders in the Rue Morgue with Henke Forss, then Everything Counts in 1997, Strong and Smart and World of Promises in 2000, Land of Confusion around 2002, and Blinded by Fear live in 2004. Then the long gap and Down, Wicked & No Good in 2017.
 
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The it's no good cover is fun. Don't care for the other two, production is too sterile and polished for a start.

Anders has posted on his Instagram that the new album is done. I did see some pictures of Chris in the studio playing guitar so at the very least we should get some more tasty solos
 
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"In Flames Finishes Recording Fifteenth Studio Album...But They Won't Let Anyone Hear It."

"It's a secret," said frontman Anders Friden. "I feel that this album is too good to share with the rest of the world. It would lose that special something. So we aren't going to release it. Use your imagination, kids."

"We always try to do something a little different" said axman Bjorn Gelotte. "For this one, we're going to try not letting anyone hear it. Not ever. We put so much work into it, it would be a shame to ruin it by letting everyone else listen to it and give their two-cents. We thought about releasing it as sheet music, but it's not very environmentally friendly to print all that paper, you know?"

"When you release an album, [it] kind of isn't yours anymore - it belongs to everyone, and anyone can interpret it however they want" he continued. "But we don't want that to happen to this one. It's too special, and we put so much work into it."

Can fans expect new In Flames music that they will be allowed to listen to? "It's not likely," said Gelotte. "We're already putting together ideas for the next one. The main idea for that album, and this could change, is that it just won't exist at all. That would be pretty cool."

"And then #17 will retroactively erase our entire catalogue," he laughed. "As if we never existed."
 
That would somehow give me more and less confidence in the band if it was how they promoted the album, mainly because I don’t trust their sense of quality

I’d love the excitement though, that would actually be cool
 
You think there's going to be a celebration over here when In Flames finally stops working with Howard Benson, akin to when Metallica shit-canned Bob Rock?

I would say 'yes', but I doubt it even matters now.
 
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Probably only within smaller circles like here. Unfortunately, I feel like there’s a higher chance of the band calling it quits than them changing producers at this point.
 
I think I'm more interested to see if they continue down the path of Foregone or they throw one of their famous curve balls, than I am about actually hearing the new album. I see a lot of predictions on social media that it will be the former and be "heavier than ever." It would be pretty hilarious if it was Siren Charms all over again. On a lot of those posts, I still see people saying Foregone is a "return to form" and I'm still not fucking hearing it. It's amazing when people hear some aggression and automatically jump to "this is as good as Clayman!!!" Maybe that's a sign of just how much they sucked for the last decade before. I don't think a new producer is fixing any of those problems.
 
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This time, I'll try to not give a single listen to any of the songs released before the new album drops. It's gonna be a whole different experience ! Just need not to die before the album release date.

I'll only read (your) online reactions to entertain myself a bit and not make the waiting too difficult.
 
This time, I'll try to not give a single listen to any of the songs released before the new album drops. It's gonna be a whole different experience ! Just need not to die before the album release date.

I'll only read (your) online reactions to entertain myself a bit and not make the waiting too difficult.
Good luck man. I admire your discipline.