New album Foregone out February 2023

Not unpredictable. This band doesn't have a direction. They don't have a style, a signature sound. They don't move themselves followed by an idea of who they are or where they're heading to.

After three consecutive fiascos, they just tried to stay relevant by going back to a supposed style that they have totally forgotten about. There's not an IF sound. Just random efforts.
 
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"In terms of new material, we have written a couple of new songs and I think one of them is the best song we have ever written. It sounds like "Moonshield Part 2" or "Gyroscope Part 2". It is a very good song."

I have no idea what song he's talking about here. I can't think of any song on Colony that sounds like Gyroscope or Moonshield part 2. Pallars Anders Visa is the closest, I guess, but I don't get the feeling he was talking about that. I wonder if this song was just dropped in the end?"

This might be Resin.
It has the same sort of "swing-y"riff/time signature style, with a lot of hammer on / pull off tails, and feels somewhat folky in style - like Gyroscope.

With hindsight we now know it's not one of the best of their career- but I still enjoy playing it.
 
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Spotify Wrapped tells me that In Flames was once again my most listened-to band, with In the Dark being my second-most listened-to song this year*, followed by Meet Your Maker and Foregone Pt. 1.

*Most listened-to was "Ashes Turn to Rain" by Borealis, which was a nice discovery earlier this year.
 
This might be Resin.
It has the same sort of "swing-y"riff/time signature style, with a lot of hammer on / pull off tails, and feels somewhat folky in style - like Gyroscope.

With hindsight we now know it's not one of the best of their career- but I still enjoy playing it.

Hmmm, yeah maybe. I'm really curious as to whether this was a song that actually ended up on Colony, or whether it just ended up on the cutting room floor. I'm not sure Jesper would even remember nowadays.
 
My Spotify wrapped tells me In Flames was 3rd this year, which is actually up a few spots from last year. This year they were beaten out by HammerFall and Orbit Culture. Wintersun and Sentenced rounded out the top 5. No In Flames songs in the top 5 though.

If the song he was referring to was Resin, that was a huge miss :D I thought maybe Zombie Inc at first but Resin makes more sense for reasons you mentioned. One of the worst songs on Colony and a really forgettable song overall.
 
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I don't use spotify, and not really sure where IF would rank this year. Probably in my top five somewhere, but definitely below Beast in Black and Fellowship.
 
Based on my memories, playlists that I've created to listen while at home, my ranking should be something like:

Rise Against.
Alice In Chains.
The Halo Effect.
Disillusion.
Two steps from Hell.
In Flames.
 
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...What can I say? I'm still cool, guys... Right?... Right?

The non-Foregone IF songs that made my top 100 of 2023 were: Jester Script Transfigured, Coerced Coexistence, Deep Inside, Suburban Me, Colony, Artifacts of the Black Rain, Embody the Invisible, Reroute to Remain... and Resin. Maybe I just have questionable taste :tickled:.
 
In Flames at second place this year for me, owing thanks to binge-listening to Colony, Clayman and Reroute for a few times right after hearing Foregone to clean the palate I guess.
At first place was... Depeche Mode, lol
 
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hey there boys, its been a long time :D

a lot changed since last time I was here, I took @eochaid's advice and got married, moved to another part of city so It was very busy few months for me :D good to see familiar faces are still around and arguing :D

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...What can I say? I'm still cool, guys... Right?... Right?

The non-Foregone IF songs that made my top 100 of 2023 were: Jester Script Transfigured, Coerced Coexistence, Deep Inside, Suburban Me, Colony, Artifacts of the Black Rain, Embody the Invisible, Reroute to Remain... and Resin. Maybe I just have questionable taste :tickled:.

You're cool but I'm cooler than you mate! Got 9.168 minutes with IF and my top 5 was
1- Meet Your Maker
2- In The Dark
3- State of Slow Decay
4- Halo from Pendulum
5- Foregone pt2

My non-Foregone list is: Deliver us, Mirrors Truth, Trigger, Where the Dead Ships Dwell, Take This Life, Alias, Crawl Through Knives, Delight And Anders, Cloud Connected, Vacuum, Self vs Self, Fear is the Weakness, Suburban Me.

IF might be back to their rootz but I'm not it looks like @DE4life. :D
 
Congrats @ciko_gfb , glad to hear you're doing well. Although to be clear, getting married and moving city is no excuse for abandoning your bros. Make it clear to your wife that we are a part of this marriage too.

As far as back to da rootz, sounds like you're well in-tune with your In Flames roots, so it's all good :cool:
 
Well, it's the early days of marriage, the TJR-Clayman period of matrimony - so it's probably all good for now. As a man who has been able to navigate through even the darkest period of IF history with a smile and a dream, maybe there's hope for Ciko to keep it going strong.

Well, until his wife finds those saucy Instagram DMs from Ciko to Anders. Then things could get messy. If she asks him to choose between her or Anders... could be rough times ahead.
 
I found another song called 'Man Made God' whilst scrolling through my YouTube suggestions earlier...



Not a cover of the IF instrumental, but I quite like it. Some cool guitar work going on around the 2 minute mark. Vocals are pretty solid. Lots of nice vocal hooks. Never heard of this band before, but tempted to check out the rest of the album now regardless.
 
I just... I can't fathom listening to Meet Your Maker and In The Dark enough times for them to my most played of THE ENTIRE YEAR. Then again, I think I'm just not as big of an In Flames fan as I used to be. I'll always cherish those early days. In Flames is my number three this year, but not a single In Flames track in the top 10 somehow. Also, apparently I played The Forest That Weeps by Wintersun 154 times this year.

Don't be surprised if your new wife divorces you after finding out that you like Meet Your Maker THAT much. :D Congrats.
 
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It's not necessarily a bad thing to be unpredictable, but it's also not a bad thing to take a cool sound and evolve/refine it over a few albums. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I really enjoy an album like SOAPF, anticipate something similar in the next release, and then get hit with a brooding, melancholic album like SC (I'm being nice with that description). As a fan it's nice to believe you'll get something in a similar vein from previous albums of a band you like, particularly if it's the same band members and a short time period between releases. With IF you simply cannot expect that, and it means I go into each new album with trepadation rather than excitement. Well, I used to anyway. Nowadays it's more morbid curiousity.
There was a Fredrik Nordström interview where he talked about how In Flames were always wanting to change their sound, and how he tried telling them, I don't remember his exact words but something like "Sure, we can change, but I think we should develop the current sound, start from the existing foundation". Honestly I think that would've quite probably worked better for In Flames. I can see Reroute being a logical continuation to Clayman, but after that they've basically been all over the place.

And why, oh why didn't they want to keep the Come Clarity production team for ASOP? :(

Congratulations to Ciko! :)
 
There was a Fredrik Nordström interview where he talked about how In Flames were always wanting to change their sound, and how he tried telling them, I don't remember his exact words but something like "Sure, we can change, but I think we should develop the current sound, start from the existing foundation". Honestly I think that would've quite probably worked better for In Flames. I can see Reroute being a logical continuation to Clayman, but after that they've basically been all over the place.

And why, oh why didn't they want to keep the Come Clarity production team for ASOP? :(

Congratulations to Ciko! :)

Nordstrom knew what he was doing. He just wanted the band to put in more work than they were willing to commit to. Rather than have an attitude of "we have a reputation and are proud of this, so we should focus on bringing the best out of ourselves", IF attitude has always been "we'll just make whatever we feel like making at the time, and hopefully people will like it".

Whether you agree with the first or second attitude is open for debate. Some would say their attitude to making music is the right one. Basically, do whatever you want to do even if it turns out to be shit. Others would suggest the first attitude, with a more careful and planned approach, is how one should treat a job. In Flames have in a lot of ways treated their career like a hobby, and maybe that's why Anders and Bjorn have been going strong for so many years. And I say "going strong" only in the sense they have never had a hiatus of any kind, not that the music itself has been strong throughout.

I believed for a long time that they purposefully pivoted to a more commercial sound for the big bucks... but nowadays I'm not so convinced. I think they just changed their sound because they didn't want to put in as much effort as they had been previously. Jesper and Bjorn, at least. They saw other bands getting loads of exposure and success with far less effort instrumentally and thought, fuck it, we can do that too. Anders was the only one who really wanted to stretch the limits of his 'instrument', and so the band ended up revolving around that. Can't really speak for Daniel or Peter as they weren't ever direct songwriters.

I'd say that only changed after Siren Charms - moving to the likes of Benson as producer is clearly a calculated move, as he has no connection to their past music in any way.

Production has always been a total shitshow since they left Nordstrom. Not all bad, but wildly inconsistent.

Reroute - muddy guitars, muddy vocals, muddy everything really
STYE - that snare, fuck. Production as a whole far too flat, the album sounds a million times better on Used & Abused
CC - works for the album but draining to listen to at times as it is so in-your-face
ASOP - utter garbage. Embarrassing guitar tone, vocals all wrong
SOAPF - another one where the production works for the album, but very different to what came before it
SC - garbage
Battles - garbage
ITM - slightly improvement on the last two, but still weak
Foregone - most metal production they've had since CC for sure, just a shame about the music