Nietzsche

Alec Walter Conway

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What do you guys think of him? Founds interresting stuff in what he said or wrote?

I was personally influenced by his Übermensch concept and by "Gott ist tott."
=> God is dead.

I also like his master/slave morality concepts a lot, mostly the part about "slaves" having "good vs evil" and "masters" having "good vs bad". Sort of makes me wonder if something good can sometimes be seen as evil.

Open thread. Post at will! We'll see where this discussion leads us! :kickass:

Cheers.
 
Alec Walter Conway said:
Sort of makes me wonder if something good can sometimes be seen as evil.
Without a doubt. There's always two sides to every story (and sometimes more).
 
Let me state one thing VERY clearly: I am only thinking for the sake of thinking. Do not take everything I say too seriously. Its only a mental exercise of thought.

George said:
Without a doubt. There's always two sides to every story (and sometimes more).

This is most obvious, to me at least. I do know that in some cases, you have to strech pretty far to find the second side though. But you can be pretty sure there'll always be something else.

But the scoping I meant to put to light here was that since the slave morality works with good/evil and master morality with good/bad, you have two completely different sets of standards by which to classify thoughts and actions.

One might say killing someone in order to defend yourself, in a kill or be killed situation, will always be seen as the "good" option. Or will it?

If I recall, Socrates, who was most obviously with his own set of Master Moralities decided to take the poison and abide by the rules of society rather that defend his existence and become untrue to his most precious beliefs. Couldn't that be seen as "he chose to be killed rather than to kill"?

But then he had time to think. If you're on a street and some psycho jumps on you, the reflex is to kill. And then to accept your action, you'll have to rationnalize everything. Killing is still killing, whatever the circumstances. Unless you're a sociopath, there's always a part of yourself that "dies a bit" when you kill someone or something.

Then you can go about with the saying "the lesser of two evils". This can rationnalize pretty much every hard choice.

But, to go back to our main line of thought here, if someone who really believes in, we shall say the Christian religion, a hard core type of guy, totally submitted to the Christian Slave Mrality. He goes by the 10 commandments every minute of his life. Thou shalt not kill. He might end up seeing killing someone, for whatever "good" reason, as an evil act.

But someone who goes by his own Master Morality, he'll be able to rationnalize and make it into a "good" action, morally and ethically justifiable.

The same concept can apply for death penalty. For abortion. For cloning. For about everything.

This has really moved me, leading me to asking myself what is really right and wrong. And then, is anything "really" right or "really" wrong.

The Palestinian bombings? The Ouganda genocide? The 09/11? Hitler and the Holocaust itself?

Ethics can be a very disturbing and fascinating subject. And Nietzsche showed the world that just like space and time, ethics are totally relative.