Nightwish - Imaginarium
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$4 million dollars.
That's a bit over the top... I really hope that pays off for them, seriously.
I mean who the heck is putting up for this? anyone have any insight to this????
You could pay for 20, $50,000 budget recording sessions for the top 40 up and coming prog and power bands at Morrisound. Release all these bands with another several million dollars to advertize. I mean that's some stupid comparison, but seriously! haha
That's a bit over the top... I really hope that pays off for them, seriously.
I mean who the heck is putting up for this? anyone have any insight to this????
You could pay for 20, $50,000 budget recording sessions for the top 40 up and coming prog and power bands at Morrisound. Release all these bands with another several million dollars to advertize. I mean that's some stupid comparison, but seriously! haha
nomisofsiman
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I don't know about all of it, but I know the Finnish Film Foundation is putting 575k towards it.
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The main producer of Imaginarium movie is Solar Films Inc, a Finnish film company founded in 1995. Mainly their films fall in action, comedy and documentary categories but there are some art films in their production catalogue and they also produced "Dark Floors The Lordi Motion Picture" (2008). Action films are mainly based on popular Finnish crime/detective novels of which the latest releases are the "Vares" - Private Eye series with 6 movies due out this and next year.
The Finnish Film Foundation grants support for professional Finnish film production. The Foundation's goal is to promote high-quality, versatile and unique Finnish film. The support can be granted for feature-length, short and episodic fiction, documentary, animation and children's films.
The production support is granted for the writing of a film script, development of a film project, the actual production of a film and for the marketing and distribution of the film in Finland. The Foundation also grants post-release support on the basis of a film's total attendance.
The above means that FFF will inspect all applicants against their quality criteria before accepting a film project and granting any money to it.
Most of the Imaginarium movie will be funded the usual way by investors, but also Nightwish has put a large sum of their own money in it. The pre-production has been going on for about three years already. Lots of the scenes will be all-CGI and also animation will be blended with real actors/actressess shot playing their parts against greenscreen which makes the project a lot more challenging than a usual movie. I suppose that besides Lapland Studio who completed the Islander video, the director Stobe Harju has hired some of his acquaintances from the Alan Wake computer game production team which means that we will see some super animation and CGI work in this movie.
This seems to be a totally new concept of making genre-border breaking entertainment: a feature music movie based on the songs and lyrical stories on a band's CD which was written into a storyline after the songs were done already and then produced and released as independent projects, not like the usual movie & soundtrack CD combination.
I really want to see how this bold experiment will work and will keep my fingers crossed for it. Of course the music will be the quality Nightwish stuff, no doubt :Smokedev:
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The main producer of Imaginarium movie is Solar Films Inc, a Finnish film company founded in 1995. Mainly their films fall in action, comedy and documentary categories but there are some art films in their production catalogue and they also produced "Dark Floors The Lordi Motion Picture" (2008). Action films are mainly based on popular Finnish crime/detective novels of which the latest releases are the "Vares" - Private Eye series with 6 movies due out this and next year.
The Finnish Film Foundation grants support for professional Finnish film production. The Foundation's goal is to promote high-quality, versatile and unique Finnish film. The support can be granted for feature-length, short and episodic fiction, documentary, animation and children's films.
The production support is granted for the writing of a film script, development of a film project, the actual production of a film and for the marketing and distribution of the film in Finland. The Foundation also grants post-release support on the basis of a film's total attendance.
The above means that FFF will inspect all applicants against their quality criteria before accepting a film project and granting any money to it.
Most of the Imaginarium movie will be funded the usual way by investors, but also Nightwish has put a large sum of their own money in it. The pre-production has been going on for about three years already. Lots of the scenes will be all-CGI and also animation will be blended with real actors/actressess shot playing their parts against greenscreen which makes the project a lot more challenging than a usual movie. I suppose that besides Lapland Studio who completed the Islander video, the director Stobe Harju has hired some of his acquaintances from the Alan Wake computer game production team which means that we will see some super animation and CGI work in this movie.
This seems to be a totally new concept of making genre-border breaking entertainment: a feature music movie based on the songs and lyrical stories on a band's CD which was written into a storyline after the songs were done already and then produced and released as independent projects, not like the usual movie & soundtrack CD combination.
I really want to see how this bold experiment will work and will keep my fingers crossed for it. Of course the music will be the quality Nightwish stuff, no doubt :Smokedev:
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Petri, I am just scared shitless that this may end up being a modern-day clusterfuck like KISS' "The Elder" I think the gang is biting off more than they can chew with this.
Don't worry Ray, they have it in the hands of a pro movie company who wouldn't get involved if they had any doubts that this movie didn't work. The same with the FFF. They won't grant a single euro to a random hastily planned movie, there has to be a decent manuscript, all strict plans and schedules for shooting and post-processing it and tight budget on paper including signed contracts with major investors and professional team etc. before they even take the application in their process. Even while it's government money, FFF is not a milking machine in any way.
Btw. the Imaginarium CD is mixed and ready for mastering, Anette told in her blog that she was just last night listening to it at her home. Now they'll put it on the shelf for a few months and will concentrate in the movie project 100% for the rest of the year. The movie trailer will be launched sometime around Nov-Dec and promo tour across Europe for the CD launch (mainly Tuomas & Anette) has been planned to begin at the same time.
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Btw. the Imaginarium CD is mixed and ready for mastering, Anette told in her blog that she was just last night listening to it at her home. Now they'll put it on the shelf for a few months and will concentrate in the movie project 100% for the rest of the year. The movie trailer will be launched sometime around Nov-Dec and promo tour across Europe for the CD launch (mainly Tuomas & Anette) has been planned to begin at the same time.
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nomisofsiman
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That's all good and all, but let's be real here, no movie is guaranteed to be great from pre-production to final product. I hope this turns out to be great, but I have the same feeling Stingray does that this could be a monumental disaster too.
Have to really disagree with you on that it might be a disaster, the guys and gals in Nightwish don't enter into anything with halfassed expectations and ideas, they think things out, and so far i don't see where they have made any bad business decisions yet in their career.
nomisofsiman
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When I say it might be a disaster, not necessarily on their end as I imagine they're hiring a director, crew, etc. That's where this movie will make or break. The music will probably be solid and I'm interested in listening to it, but over the years in film throughout the world, there can be great concepts, scripts, etc. but they don't pan out how the creators wish they would. That's all I'm saying.
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A) it doesn't matter how seriously they take their work, making a good movie is not the same thing as making a good album. Truth be told, I am not sure that 4 million dollars is anywhere near enough to make a good film, even at the indie level. The costs are just too high. And certainly there is no way a film like this would do well at all in the US, which is the biggest film market in the world (to the point where films are like our number 3 export). They are lucky in the sense that their label, Spinefarm, is owned by Universal Music and surely they must have worked something out with their film arm in Europe, but there's no way this is going to the States. Maybe as a DVD.
B) Mastodon wanted to make a film of Crack The Skye and they (I assume, since they are already working on the next album) never actually ended up doing it. Just because you make good business decisions before doesn't mean you are immune to making bad business decisions in the future. I am sure the new Nightwish record will do well, though. Well enough to cover any potential loss from the movie though? That's debatable.
I still think that things like this should be left to bands like Blind Guardian. BUT I hope it comes out great... I do think though that $4 Million dollars for a movie is really cheap considering the amount of CG they will probably need. but again this is all speculation and i have no clue what goes into making movies... Then again films like paranormal activity had like no budget and blew the fuck up!
Nightwish should just do their own 70,000 tons cruise or something! hahaha that would be awesome!
Edit: you never know... if this does work and is successful, a lot of bands will probably try and do the same.
Nightwish should just do their own 70,000 tons cruise or something! hahaha that would be awesome!
Edit: you never know... if this does work and is successful, a lot of bands will probably try and do the same.
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It's true that some movies like Paranormal Activity and The Blair Witch project can be made with no budget and wind up grossing huge amounts of money, but this is very rare in general. A film like that needs to go through so many hurdles in Hollywood just to even see a release, let alone do well at the box office.
Not sure what you mean by bands like BG though. Blind Guardian is a big act, but Nightwish is arguably in the "top 10 biggest bands in metal" list, next to Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, In Flames, etc etc. I don't like Nightwish at all -- hell I can't stand them -- but they are incredibly successful. I still think they are pushing their luck with this movie though.
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When I win the lottery, first order of action is getting a BG movie started. Mark my words.
Ya I know NW is like WAY bigger than BG but It just seems more proper for a band like them to get a legit movie deal... They were offered the soundtrack to Lord of the Rings but it needed to be done and recorded in like under a year... With BG, thats not happening! haha They themselves are going much bigger though too with their new orchestra project... I guess that's a Movie calibur musical basically, just without millions of dollars of FILM.
Ill be right there egging you on. every minute. every day.
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Ya I know NW is like WAY bigger than BG but It just seems more proper for a band like them to get a legit movie deal... They were offered the soundtrack to Lord of the Rings but it needed to be done and recorded in like under a year... With BG, thats not happening! haha They themselves are going much bigger though too with their new orchestra project... I guess that's a Movie calibur musical basically, just without millions of dollars of FILM.
Ill be right there egging you on. every minute. every day.
Hahaha the prospect of them doing the LOTR soundtrack. Badass. Though, the film's soundtrack in it of itself was awesome.
Point of information: This isn't true. When the film series was announced, someone (possibly the film's producers) ran an online poll that asked users to pick a composer, and Guardian ran away with it. Shortly thereafter, it was announced that despite the fact that there was a certain amount of public support behind the idea of the band scoring the film, the producers were going to select a composer who had film-industry experience, and Howard Shore ended up doing a fine job. There's a perfectly sensible reason for this, and you mentioned it, Camden: Deadlines. Howard Shore is a pro who isn't going to blow deadlines, and the last thing that anyone involved with movies that expensive and important (two studios had essentially staked their futures on the project) wanted to hear was that some German metal band didn't quite have the music done against a release date that had been established years in advance. Given the fact that the orchestral album that Guardian announced in the wake of this has become the Chinese Democracy of power metal, I'd say the producers made the right choice.
haha ya man, i think it would have done something maybe for the good of the metal scene of the USA if that would have happened... i mean that would have immediately pushed them into a mainstream audience...
yes the real one, it was great also, just saying it would have been even more enchanting if it was done by the masters.
Ah I see there... I heard just a little different story from one of the horses mouths.. but that makes perfect sense...
lol this orchestra project they are doing now as been in the process for 10 years apparently.... Even if they were to concentrate on it solid it would probably still have taken them YEARS to do...
Either way, either option sounded or would have sounded great
"I don't see where they have made any bad business decisions yet in their career" - Hmmmmmmmm, about replacing Tarja as being a monumental BAD decision!!!!!
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Ah I see there... I heard just a little different story from one of the horses mouths.. but that makes perfect sense...
lol this orchestra project they are doing now as been in the process for 10 years apparently.... Even if they were to concentrate on it solid it would probably still have taken them YEARS to do...
Either way, either option sounded or would have sounded great
Seems like they are notorious for taking their time no? I was reading the news updates on the last album and having them to delay recordings which pissed the label people off apparently haha.
