% of Forum producing for a living/Average income that can be expected?

Imo the biggest problem ist the gear. You gotta have at least a little something to start up with. Of course you can rent stuff but that will diminish your recording income. I'd say do it as a hobby as long as you have time and if it starts to get some serious money (and has already paid for all your equipment) than go pro.
 
How many more years will NRG survive when nobody is buying CDs anymore? Even if we switch to new media, the majority of the general public is used to getting their music for free. IMHO, the future looks very grim for recording engineers.

Yes big studio's may be hurting a bit but i totally disagree that the future for recording engineers looks grim. There are so many bands out there and new ones popping up every day.

Everyone is not gonna quit listening to music so just on that note someone is gonna need to record those bands so people can listen to it and steal it for free or whatever. Yea its also way easier to get your hands on recording gear and record your own band these days but unless you got years of experience in recording and mixing your recordings are gonna sound like shit still. I'm 2 years into recording and I'm still a rookie and can't touch some of these recording/mixing engineers i hear and those guys that have great skills are booked solid for months and months. Shoot I'm booked up for the next month and i suck. :lol:

There is not much money being made by most metal bands or bands in general these days but i stay pretty busy recording as do a lot of people from this board. So why should that change all of a sudden??
 
Imo the biggest problem ist the gear. You gotta have at least a little something to start up with. Of course you can rent stuff but that will diminish your recording income. I'd say do it as a hobby as long as you have time and if it starts to get some serious money (and has already paid for all your equipment) than go pro.


Honestly my problem is the space. I have to record mobile because i don't want to eat up all my profits renting a place to record. Yea its a bitch to lug my gear around but I'm doing this so i can put money back into my recording gear and then when the time is right I'm gonna get rent a spot or a house with garage or basement.

I honestly make enough now part time recording to pay all my bills but i keep a day job cause most bands like weekends and nights anyway. Plus it gives me more $$$ for my gear addiction :heh:
 
Starting out initially is the hardest part. If you have no studio behind you, it's hard to convince a band to record with you as a freelance producer/engineer. You need something substantial in order for them to trust you enough to pay you for a job the house engineer may well be able to do just as well, if not better than you. Then there's the rates. Every single guy with a 002 in his backyard shed is claiming he can outdo the local professional studios in re: to quality, whilst charging barely enough to stop himself having to push heroin on the streets in order to survive. A lot of these guys are the ones depreciating the value of the entire industry and process. The local independent and major studios have to cut costs in order to compete with people who have no idea how their undercutting will come back to bite them in the arse one day.

My outlook of it is this... having awesome engineering/production skills just puts you at square one. There are so many guys out there that are good at doing this due to the high availability of recording gear for project studios. What sets you aside is your ability to network, build clientele and most of all, make your clients happy with the work you put out, so that word will spread.

It's a slow start if you're not someone who's already got a name behind them. Most guys never really make enough money out of it to really etch any sort of living out of production/engineering alone. One thing you need to accept is the large average failure rate, and that you should get into this because you love doing it, not because you think you'll make millions. The passion is so important. A recent conversation with Mike Kopitz (INXS, AC/DC, Bob Dylan, Kiss etc.) confirmed this for me.

As far as my own story goes... I recorded my first band over 2 years ago and since then have continued to hone my skills whilst studying full time, and have currently put out 2 EPs, am finishing my first full-length album, have another album lined up next month, two EPs after that, and possible future work due to word of mouth. I currently don't have enough volume of work to live off it, but if I did around 2 projects a month at the rates I charge, I would be fairly comfortable. It just takes time above all, with a healthy dose of prayer, stress and self-promotion.
 
Starting out initially is the hardest part. If you have no studio behind you, it's hard to convince a band to record with you as a freelance producer/engineer. You need something substantial in order for them to trust you enough to pay you for a job the house engineer may well be able to do just as well, if not better than you. Then there's the rates. Every single guy with a 002 in his backyard shed is claiming he can outdo the local professional studios in re: to quality, whilst charging barely enough to stop himself having to push heroin on the streets in order to survive. A lot of these guys are the ones depreciating the value of the entire industry and process. The local independent and major studios have to cut costs in order to compete with people who have no idea how their undercutting will come back to bite them in the arse one day.

My outlook of it is this... having awesome engineering/production skills just puts you at square one. There are so many guys out there that are good at doing this due to the high availability of recording gear for project studios. What sets you aside is your ability to network, build clientele and most of all, make your clients happy with the work you put out, so that word will spread.

It's a slow start if you're not someone who's already got a name behind them. Most guys never really make enough money out of it to really etch any sort of living out of production/engineering alone. One thing you need to accept is the large average failure rate, and that you should get into this because you love doing it, not because you think you'll make millions. The passion is so important. A recent conversation with Mike Kopitz (INXS, AC/DC, Bob Dylan, Kiss etc.) confirmed this for me.

As far as my own story goes... I recorded my first band over 2 years ago and since then have continued to hone my skills whilst studying full time, and have currently put out 2 EPs, am finishing my first full-length album, have another album lined up next month, two EPs after that, and possible future work due to word of mouth. I currently don't have enough volume of work to live off it, but if I did around 2 projects a month at the rates I charge, I would be fairly comfortable. It just takes time above all, with a healthy dose of prayer, stress and self-promotion.

Very cool outlook dude. If I may ask, what are you studying? Do you plan to pursue that, or studio work upon graduation?

-Joe
 
There are so many bands out there and new ones popping up every day.

Haha. Yeah, but how many of them have MONEY?? I see your point, but think about how many people are currently enrolled in recording schools. Think of how many people in this very forum can make kickass mixes that are still small time. Think of how many mboxes have sold this year (and next/previous). Think of how many people chime in on these forums saying that they record bands for free. I'm all for being optimistic, but from a business perspective things don't look too good even if you are a kickass engineer.
 
Over the past couple of years I've definitely came to the conclusion that this is the thing I want to dedicate myself to, no matter how hard it is (especially in eastern Europe :rolleyes:). I'm still halfway through university, though, plus finding a place is an enormous obstacle in my city so I pretty much can't record drums and have to mix bad sounding drums recorded at rehearsal studios. Bands don't have much money and there's a million other obstacles but hey, I don't care, I'm not aiming at a fancy lifestyle, just doing what I find interesting and getting paid for it. Sure beats working at a grocery store :)

As for income, I've recorded my band 3 times, for free of course; our drummer's other band's 4 song ep, again for free; a signel for our bass player's other band, for free...you get the idea. Nevertheless, this year I got my first payments for recording drums at a band's rehearsal place and for another band's vocals in my iso booth.
 
Seriously Kev think about this: me and you are both computer programmers. A computer programmer when has finished uni, over here, can earn something like 1500 euros per month.
Think that after 5 years if you're working in a great company that gives you goals to be reached, maybe they can give you something like 1800-2000 euros per month.
After 10 years if you're the analyst programmer you can even earn 2500-3000.
Think twice about this lol
Don't get me wrong I'd like to be an audio engineer as well, but :
a) you have to really believe in it.
b) you have to do a lot of mixes in the free time so you can progress.
c) last but not least, be very critical towards your productions.