http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2010/07/ask-a-real-musician-5-classic-male-metal-singers/
Very amusing analysis.
Very amusing analysis.
Opera singer analyzes metal singers (yup, Bruce is there)
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Metallicat180
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It was interesting but the "ask a real musician" bit annoyed me greatly. Like metal musicians aren't real??
I wish instead of King Diamond she would've listened to Geoff Tate, preferrably something off of Mindcrime!
In the minds of classical musicians, no, they aren't. I disagree, but I majored in music for ONE semester. I made all "A's, and my teachers, except for one, all said they felt with my potential, they could still make a "real" musician out of me if I'd just forget that rock crap. My guitar teacher was the only one who got it. They see rock and metal musicians as "scab" labor, with little knowledge of music theory, who nevertheless make a lot more money than most college music professors. There's a lot of anger, jealousy, and looking-down upon there.
At the same time I noticed a lot of my fellow students who were astounding musicians - but if they weren't the #1 pianist or violinist, they were made to feel useless by their instructors. It's a toxic atmosphere.
That being said, in most cases classical musicians ARE better musicians on technical levels than most metal musicians. You can find a number of exceptions but in general it really is true.
In the current music scene, where too many untalented artists are given airplay priviledge, at the expense of lesser-known, but better musicians, I can see where that viewpoint gains traction.
But as Hamish from MDB (a classically trained musician) righteously told me, "knowing the rules helps you break them."
But as Hamish from MDB (a classically trained musician) righteously told me, "knowing the rules helps you break them."
Metallicat180
Rockstar-In-Training
To me, that just sounds elitest and snobby. Because you are a classical musician does not mean that you are better than someone who play metal. Look at someone like Wanda who, like yourself, does both.
That's shocking that they would feel that way and digusting that the tutors would make them feel that way. I can kinda relate cos I never took music in school because the head of department was of that way of thinking too - that if you weren't gifted at music, he had no time for you.
That is probably true but I'm sure we all could some up with many who are just as, if not more, talented.
(fyi, none of this ranting is directed at you - just airing my opinion.
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Danny rctv
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To me, that just sounds elitest and snobby. Because you are a classical musician does not mean that you are better than someone who play metal. Look at someone like Wanda who, like yourself, does both.
That's shocking that they would feel that way and digusting that the tutors would make them feel that way. I can kinda relate cos I never took music in school because the head of department was of that way of thinking too - that if you weren't gifted at music, he had no time for you.
That is probably true but I'm sure we all could some up with many who are just as, if not more, talented.
(fyi, none of this ranting is directed at you - just airing my opinion.
Oh, I agree with you, and as I said, my classical studies pretty much ended there. I learned basic theory, basic classical guitar, and the ability to teach myself further. I love classical music to listen to, but I love rock and metal for the playing. Much more freedom.
Kirsten "Bruce Chickinson"
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Yes, I really enjoyed reading that, too. And yeah, I would have liked to hear her reaction to Geoff Tate, as well.
I'm always impressed (and envious) of singers I know who can belt shit out and sound great consistently without any warm-up or knowledge of technique. I had to take years of lessons from an exceptionally gifted vocalist and teacher, Steve Whiteman, to get where I am. But, actually, no matter how good you are naturally, I think training is always a good idea to make sure you are not hurting your voice and keep you going strong for years to come. The techniques Steve taught me allow me to never strain myself no matter what note I'm going for and how many nights in a row I have to do it.
I'm always impressed (and envious) of singers I know who can belt shit out and sound great consistently without any warm-up or knowledge of technique. I had to take years of lessons from an exceptionally gifted vocalist and teacher, Steve Whiteman, to get where I am. But, actually, no matter how good you are naturally, I think training is always a good idea to make sure you are not hurting your voice and keep you going strong for years to come. The techniques Steve taught me allow me to never strain myself no matter what note I'm going for and how many nights in a row I have to do it.
If you think classical singers and teachers are elitist you should check out the Jazz Department. When I was in college I studied jazz guitar and jazz arranging and I always felt there was the elitist attitude there as if that if you can't fully calculate with perfect left brain analytical precision why every single note being played is there you are a musical idiot. Like every note must have a purpose and and if you can't make your chords as long as possible such as a F#m7 b9 aug5 then your a neanderthal. I knew that studying jazz was the best way to increase my musical knowledge, but I could have done without the attitude from the teachers and fellow students.
I'd go home and plug in and just start rocking out and tried to feel something.
I'd go home and plug in and just start rocking out and tried to feel something.
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