Opeth & Moonspell - 2004/2/27 - BitTorrent

MadeInNewJersey

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Anyone who does still want the link to this recording, PM or email me offline.

GabrielKnight is correct; just because there are a few ungrateful turds around, I don't want others to not have access to it.
 
In order to decode the APE files to WAV, which you can then listen to or burn to CDR, you will just need to download the Monkey's Audio codec, at www.monkeysaudio.com. Download the latest version, which is v3.97.

When installing that version, you should be asked if you want to download the WinAmp plugin, which will enable you to play the APE files in WinAmp like any other music files.

Any more questions, post 'em here.
 
Good job, Mark. You way over compressed the audio by normalizing it. You can hear the levels whoosh in and out. If you actually knew how compression worked, you could have used the Dynamics Processing option in Cool Edit instead of normalization and gotten a better sound.

What happened to preservation of quality? This sounds like pretty amateur audio doctoring to me.
 
It IS pretty amateur audio doctoring.

FYI, normalizing it doesn't compress the audio (not in the way I am talking about compression); I made sure that no song's original audio file dipped, but some levels on other tracks were brought up a notch. Any compression that exists is due to the limitations of the MiniDisc recorder I have and the Sony mic.

I've had very limited time to learn Cool Edit Pro on my own, but with each recording, I learn a little more.

It's only my opinion of course, but I've played this one side-by-side with the other 4 Opeth shows I've gotten from this tour and it stand up with each of them, if not surpasses all but one (DAT sourced) in terms of audio quality.
 
I just want to add that when I implore preservation of sound quality, I'm talking about the preservation of the original recording, i.e. not encoding it to a lossy format. I'm not going to get into it really, if you're interested - something tells me you're not - I'll be glad to explain via PMs or email.

You can't generally make a recording better (well you can, but that requires extensive remastering). You can, however, make a recording worse.
 
markgugs said:
Even though the vast majority of you are whiny crybitches, I'll still share my recording.

It's a 768 MB file (well, numerous files) and includes both the complete Opeth set and the Moonspell set as well.

Here's the link:
http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/showthread.php?s=&postid=636534

If you DO decide to download this, the files are in the APE format and are completely lossless. Sorry if you're looking for MP3s; you know my feelings about that. This recording is NOT TO BE encoded to MP3, and obviously is not for sale. It is to be freely traded in its original format or as audio discs.

If you can't agree to that simple rule, please do not download it. Thanks.
how do i Download this?
 
markgugs said:
I just want to add that when I implore preservation of sound quality, I'm talking about the preservation of the original recording, i.e. not encoding it to a lossy format.
Yeah, we got that loud and crystal clear.

You come on here preaching about how everyone here is too stupid and impatient to appreciate "the preservation of sound quality" and how you aren't going to be bothered to share your precious bootlegs.

Then you continue to try to explain to me and everyone else about your audio doctoring skills, which are obviously about as good they get from guessing what to do.

Then you rescind your previous boast about not sharing, and share this bootleg that is in no way any different or more unique from the other bootlegs circulating around sublevels (ie. it sounds just as bad as all the other ones where someone stood in the crowd holding a microphone) save for the fact that Opeth plays a few different songs, and then you have the gaul to insist that nobody can trade this show in any other format except for what you have encoded it in?

Let me explain it even simpler: This recording doesn't sound that great. In fact, it pretty much sounds like crap. You cannot polish a turd. Well, you can, but it's still going to be a turd. Preserving the quality of a bad recording is still going to give everyone a bad recording. Audio doctoring a bad recording, while sometimes helpful if you know what you're doing (and you obviously don't), is still probably not going to make a bad recording sound drastically different. In other words, if there was no quality to begin with, why make such a big fucking deal about preserving it, especially the way you have been doing?

Now don't get me wrong, it's good that you shared it, and like I've said before, if you wanna hear a bad recording in wav form as opposed to 128 kbps Mp3's, than that's up to you. But I can't believe you talked all that shit all week and this is what you had to offer. That is beyond lame.

In my experience, it seems that people only use these fancy audio format compressors (.shn, .ape) on piece of shit bootlegs. Why doesn't anyone use them to trade real albums with, or, an even better idea: QUALITY bootlegs?
 
First off, before you begin to talk shit about a taper's job, pony up little man. If you tape, then show us what you've got. If you don't tape, then shut the fuck up and be thankful.

Secondly, even if you think the recording is subpar (I don't, BTW), preserving it's subpar quality is better that turning it from subpar to shit by subjecting it to a lower bitrate compression.

Thirdly, you only display your ignorance talking about SHN and APE as being "fancy audio format compressors". Don't be so fucking stupid. Any trader/collector with a modicum of intelligence knows that SHN/FLAC/APE are used to compress the files losslessly so that they can be downloaded and uncompressed into their original state - something you'll never be able to do with your precious MP3 algorithm.

Fourthly, quit talking like such a big man while linking to a website with your pictures. You talk like you're tough shit, and yet the photos don't lie. You're a little punk ass kid. I lurk around here and am constantly amazed that you try to play like you are king of this board. No wonder you're crying for moderation, since it is clear you need someone else to do your dirty work or protect you from scary guys like Mark. I tried to remain neutral, I thanked you for sharing the DVD via bittorrent, I didn't get involved in any of your pissing matches. But when you slag a taper (actually you slagged on every Opeth taper in your post above) who taped and shared a recording of a band we like, you come across as such a whiney, unworthy little bitch that I couldn't bit my tongue anymore. Shove it up your ass.
 
jeffbr_ said:
First off, before you begin to talk shit about a taper's job, pony up little man. If you tape, then show us what you've got. If you don't tape, then shut the fuck up and be thankful.

Secondly, even if you think the recording is subpar (I don't, BTW), preserving it's subpar quality is better that turning it from subpar to shit by subjecting it to a lower bitrate compression.

Thirdly, you only display your ignorance talking about SHN and APE as being "fancy audio format compressors". Don't be so fucking stupid. Any trader/collector with a modicum of intelligence knows that SHN/FLAC/APE are used to compress the files losslessly so that they can be downloaded and uncompressed into their original state - something you'll never be able to do with your precious MP3 algorithm.

Fourthly, quit talking like such a big man while linking to a website with your pictures. You talk like you're tough shit, and yet the photos don't lie. You're a little punk ass kid. I lurk around here and am constantly amazed that you try to play like you are king of this board. No wonder you're crying for moderation, since it is clear you need someone else to do your dirty work or protect you from scary guys like Mark. I tried to remain neutral, I thanked you for sharing the DVD via bittorrent, I didn't get involved in any of your pissing matches. But when you slag a taper (actually you slagged on every Opeth taper in your post above) who taped and shared a recording of a band we like, you come across as such a whiney, unworthy little bitch that I couldn't bit my tongue anymore. Shove it up your ass.
*sighs*

1: http://ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140554 I've only taped a Butthole Surfer show, a Chili Pepper show, and a 311 show. They all sound like crap. Wouldn't do much good to trade em around here now would it?...Be thankful for what? That it sounded like every other average Opeth bootleg that I have, even though he talked up and down about it and insulted everyone who had a different opinion than his all week long? Oh, okay. Thanks. I'm not slagging on anyone in particular's bootlegging abilities, just the fact the Marky Mark is a shit talker.

2: This is a subjective matter. My mp3 algorithm? Who said it was mine?

3: Yes, I know what it is. For the three hundredth, millionth, bagillionth time. Mp3 = lossy. Flac,shn,ape = lossless. I get. We all get it. I wasn't disputing that. (You can't really dispute it, can you?) My question simply was: Why is it that people that make such a great big deal about these sorts of programs use them on amateur, shitty recordings?

4: My avatar is my real picture. The only one bringing up being a "man" is you. What does this have to do with anything at all? And I'm not going to argue with you over who is the biggest Opeth fan. That doesn't enter into it, I'm not sure why you brought it up. Unworthy? Of what? Opeth's music, or Mr. Wahlberg's mighty worthless bootleg wisdom? So you are either an elitist, or his lackey...okay. What does that have to do with suggesting to have this forum moderated?

Apparently, asking for moderation around here does not equal removing unecessary threads but does equal totalitarian censorship and also means that I am scared of somebody? How does this work? What do I have to be scared of? Obviously, I have enough time on my hands to make these longwinded explanations of everything, so why would I want that removed? And why does this mean I'm scared of Marky Mark? The "Moderation" thread was not made in response to Marky Mark's rambling about preservation of quality, but was made in response to all the crappy threads that are on the front pages (ie ggggggu's newbie threads, Mikeal is a fat guinea pig thread, dream theatre setlist thread, the multple threads about one particular show, the list goes on...and on...and on...and on...) By wanting this kind of crap to be slowly pruned off, that means I am a big "man?" A king, even? Scared of someone I have never met before? A supporter of totalitarianism and a "police state" like the other guy said? Some ninny that hires people to do work for him?

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

You have entirely missed the point of my previous answer. You are becoming angry over an internet message board (one of the absolute DUMBEST things you can do). You are assuming that you know me and how I behave in real life. I guess I am pretty young (22), but that has nothing to do with anything at all. Congratulations on a very misinformed (ie STUPID) post. You win the game!!!!

Here, let me feed your ego some more:

You are right, I am wrong. You are smarter than me, I am dumb. You are more mature than me, I am a "punk ass little kid." There, do you feel vindicated yet? Don't you feel better now that you have vented?:wave:

Man, why am I even responding to this? I obviously have too much free time...

"I'm hanging up the phone now....prank caller, PRANK CALLER!!!!"
 
Mr. Niel, you are a punk ass piece of shit. Period.

I will not bother to respond any further to this, you don't have a fucking clue what the trading world is about, it'd be a waste of my breath.

I do truly wish that you find whatever it is you're looking for, and eventually grow up. I also wish you didn't hide where you lived and were man enough to speak the way you do from outside the safety of your parents' (assuming you have parents) home or your dorm. I doubt you are. In fact, I doubt "man" is a word often associated with you.

I do implore you to PM or email me. I'll give you my phone number, and perhaps we can hash this out as adults.
 
markgugs said:
Mr. Niel, you are a punk ass piece of shit. Period.

I will not bother to respond any further to this, you don't have a fucking clue what the trading world is about, it'd be a waste of my breath.

I do truly wish that you find whatever it is you're looking for, and eventually grow up. I also wish you didn't hide where you lived and were man enough to speak the way you do from outside the safety of your parents' (assuming you have parents) home or your dorm. I doubt you are. In fact, I doubt "man" is a word often associated with you.

I do implore you to PM or email me. I'll give you my phone number, and perhaps we can hash this out as adults.
hahah, the proof is in the pudding!

*responded with number, waiting for reply...*
 
markgugs said:
Forget it, you're all whiny crybitches.

Thank Mr. Niel. I'm sure he'd be happy to give you a copy.
Ahahahahahah!!!! Very adult of you! :worship:

Oh no, foiled again!: :oops:

Here is the link to the tracker, everyone. I guess Marky Mark thought we were too young to figure out where to find it:

http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/attachment.php?s=&postid=636518

Quick, now tell Zoltan to take it down!

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