Revolution Renaissance is no more

[Jasonic]

Dude, like Timo or not, he was one of the founding fathers of the current prog/power metal scene with Strat's early T&T albums. At some point, you need to learn respect. Yes, Timo is kind of out there, but that doesn't make him a throw away. Musicians in general, do not necessarily fit the moniker of smiley happy people. They are like that for a reason. They are creative, and hopefully innovative. Learn that. K?

First off, don't frickin' talk to me about respect.
We can certainly discuss the shirts you are offering for sale, and you know exactly what I am speaking of.

Secondly, I simply stated reasons why I think no one gave a crap about this guy's current and future musical projects.

I love a lot of Strato's work, which of course includes primarily songs he wrote.

That being said, he tried to make a career out of drama and otherwise ridiculous antics to keep his name alive. Remember those absurd promo photos with that female singer?

So we can be clear, yes, I respect him as a musician and his contributions to the genre. That being said, that doesn't give him a "bye" for being called out on things such as this.

 

[Exploding Ned]

I only have the first disc which sounded like Starto with Tobias and Kiske singing on it. Just didnt work for me. I have heard nothing but terrible things about the second one. I have lost all faith in him and his craziness. I think he is incappable of ever being taken serious again and I dount that he will ever find any serious musicans to work with him again.

Nice attitude toward someone who was there to help start the prog/power genre. You should be quite proud of your armchair quarterback callous comments.

 

[Exploding Ned]

I agree. This is why I dont really like meeting bands because if they turn out to be douche bags.....it kind ruins thier music for me. Has happened many times over the years.

Meeting bands = you have to be good at reaching out to them. They don't have to be good at reaching out to you. They create (usually) good music. That's enough of a gig for anyone to undertake.

 

[Exploding Ned]

I learned something from Bruce Campbell the actor. From hearing him speak and reading his book, also Rob Zombie ( who I am not a fan of ). Fans are the people who pay your salary. They are the ones who will come out of the woodwork to see you. You make them mad or treat them bad.....you are done. There are actors / artist / musicians who I am not a fan of but now have great respect for because after meeting them they were really down to earth nice people. Actor / actress wise....Tia Carrere fro Waynes World is one. I would never search out any of her music or movies but I met her at a convention and my freind and I talked to her for a while and not just a quick hello. We were all joking around and having a blast. It left a great impression. Also Fred "The Hammer" Williamson. Same thing. He even saw us in the parking lot later in the day and stopped to thank us for stopping buy and stuff. Elliott Gould was another. Super nice down to earth. Not a huge fan but again...made a nice impression where I would support something of his that interested me now even more. Many bands have been great to meet over the years or just hearing stories from other fans. Once you are an ass...that stuff sticks. Sure people have off times or just dont want to be bothered. Too me...at a concert at a meet and greet...that is when you game face is on. After a band plays....no, dont bug them till they are done packing up and stuff. Lots of bands forget...one quick moment with a fan can make that person a fan for life.

No disrespect, but unless and until you've been on the road with all the pitfalls of that b.s. for (sometimes) months at a time, and have dealt with thousands of drunken joe-bobs after the show being drunken jerks, wacked out venues, not getting paid (happens alot) etc. etc., then you aren't quite in a position to judge these road warriors.

 

[Exploding Ned]

First off, don't frickin' talk to me about respect. We can certainly discuss the shirts you are offering for sale, and you know exactly what I am speaking of. Secondly, I simply stated reasons why I think no one gave a crap about this guy's current and future musical projects. I love a lot of Strato's work, which of course includes primarily songs he wrote. That being said, he tried to make a career out of drama and otherwise ridiculous antics to keep his name alive. Remember those absurd promo photos with that female singer? So we can be clear, yes, I respect him as a musician and his contributions to the genre. That being said, that doesn't give him a "bye" for being called out on things such as this.

Sorry if I offended you. I can be a bit heavy handed at times, in case you haven't noticed. I used to be a boxer, so I guess that aggression is still here 40 years later. Anyway, I don't think he tried to make a career out of drama and otherwise ridiculous antics. I just think he's one of those people who needs to let his talent shine and needs a publicist or whatever to do the speaking for him. Alot of celebrities are like that, pretty common actually. But yeah, I guess we all agree this is a down time for Timo. Hopefully the future for him will improve.

 

[AMBR]

Well, I can understand everyone's differing opinion on this, but my opinion unfortunately comes from several interactions that were face to face. I don't like being lied to, manipulated or dismissed. Who does? Do it once, ok, no biggie. Keep at it and I'm irritated. It was a continuous arrogant level of disregard for fans, promoters and media that finally soured me on this guy. He has(d) a talent for songwriting, and I hope he can reignite that. Truly. But until he can come down off his high horse, he will not have my support. 'Nuf said.

 

[Diabolik]

No disrespect, but unless and until you've been on the road with all the pitfalls of that b.s. for (sometimes) months at a time, and have dealt with thousands of drunken joe-bobs after the show being drunken jerks, wacked out venues, not getting paid (happens alot) etc. etc., then you aren't quite in a position to judge these road warriors.

I actually do have background with bands on the road. I even had bands stay at my house. I havea brother who is in a band who has done many US tours and some European tours too. I know what they go through. I have done a video zine for many years in the 90's and delt with bands bigger than any prog/power band and have delt with great people and some losers. Plus, I dont need to respect someone just because they were there and help start the prog-power movement. So, with having a background and even those who dont....we are the ones paying these guys. So we do have say in this.

 

[Diabolik]

First off, don't frickin' talk to me about respect.
We can certainly discuss the shirts you are offering for sale, and you know exactly what I am speaking of.
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waiting for a response on this one.

 

[nomisofsiman]

I actually do have background with bands on the road. I even had bands stay at my house. I havea brother who is in a band who has done many US tours and some European tours too. I know what they go through. I have done a video zine for many years in the 90's and delt with bands bigger than any prog/power band and have delt with great people and some losers. Plus, I dont need to respect someone just because they were there and help start the prog-power movement. So, with having a background and even those who dont....we are the ones paying these guys. So we do have say in this.

To add, yeah there can be some creepos and drunken fans that you want to avoid, but most fans are not like that. The road is tough, but as Diabolik said, they're the reason you're there and no matter what, you need to show them respect for appreciating your music. I'm not saying you need to sign an autograph or talk to fans for hours on end but just be nice to them. It really isn't that complicated.

However, on the other side I usually don't get that fed up if a musician has a bad attitude with the fans one time I meet him/her. Everyone has a bad day here and there. Things can happen but it shouldn't make it so you lose all respect for their music. Best example I can think of is I used to work for FYE and even helped them out on some of the Ozzfests. The last year I was there, when they did the free Ozzfest, Zakk Wylde got banned from doing the signings due to getting pissed off and from what I recall destroying a speaker or two. However, a year or two earlier I had met him personally and he was a really cool guy and laid back. Same guy, two totally different circumstances. Most musicians get a free pass in my book. Now, if I met a certain musician multiple times and he was an ass, then I may lose some respect but as fans, we truly don't know what happened to them an hour or couple hours before we tried to chat or get an autograph from a musician.

 

[AMBR]

Everyone has a bad day here and there. Things can happen but it shouldn't make it so you lose all respect for their music.

Yea, fine and dandy. But a continuous disrespect for fans and everyone the musician works with is hard to ignore. Especially when a big part of their music is about a global kind of awareness.

Best example I can think of is I used to work for FYE and even helped them out on some of the Ozzfests. The last year I was there, when they did the free Ozzfest, Zakk Wylde got banned from doing the signings due to getting pissed off and from what I recall destroying a speaker or two. .

Let's lay it out there. I love Zakk. I've always admired his music and had a lot of good talk with the dude. Fact? Alcohol is not his friend. That has something to do with what you're talking about. Don't add things to the discussion you can't support. k?

 

[nomisofsiman]

Yea, fine and dandy. But a continuous disrespect for fans and everyone the musician works with is hard to ignore. Especially when a big part of their music is about a global kind of awareness.



Let's lay it out there. I love Zakk. I've always admired his music and had a lot of good talk with the dude. Fact? Alcohol is not his friend. That has something to do with what you're talking about. Don't add things to the discussion you can't support. k?

1. Agreed. That's sort of in line in terms of the repeat offender thing. If it's a continued line of disrespect towards other fans, you definitely can't ignore that.

2. Duly noted. Don't know why the alcohol thing didn't cross my mind.

 

[Jasonic]

Ned -
No worries. It takes a LOT to offend me.
Bottom line, it came off to me more like you think we need to respect this guy due to his contribution to the genre.
That to me would be "appreciation" of his work and talents.
Respect has to be earned and it often takes a lot to retain it.

 

[Jasonic]

waiting for a response on this one.

 

[GoRillaBoy76]

Strato used to be one of my favorite bands and Tolki used to be my favorite guitar player, but after a while the music just seemed to become played out and soulless, and I guess I got tired of hearing about drama instead of new material but I just lost interest in his work. Now there is no denying that he is a god in this genre, no denying that at all, one of the few people that can write a true masterpiece. But I hate to say his candle had burned out a few years ago, maybe if he takes a few years off, he can comeback again. As far as his personal life, I have never met him, but I have never heard a good story from a person that has met him. However, my father has Bi-Polar and I understand that as crazy as it sounds you cant judge a person with BP by what they do. So I wish him nothing but blessing and nothing will ever change the greatness of his earlier works.