Robert Plant won a few Grammys

[4speedmetal]

Just got around to looking at the link with Immigrant Song. That was pretty darn good. Ya just gotta love a furry kitty with a sword saying "I am your overlord".

Thanks.

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

The different kind of music Zep made during their 10 years can't be underestimated either. It was all rock and blues based, .

Wasn't all rock/blues based... they had other influences in their music that was evident like in Kashmir, The Battle of Evermore etc.

 

[4speedmetal]

Wasn't all rock/blues based... they had other influences in their music that was evident like in Kashmir, The Battle of Evermore etc.

Exactly. Zep was way more than rock and blues. The 3rd album was acoustic and folk and rock and blues and...

They were an adventurous band from the beginning. The song Hot Dog is pure Rockabilly. The only thing Led Zeppelin was not, is Heavy Metal. But, bringing this up is like beating a dead horse. So please don't beat too hard on me.

 

[razoredge]

Hell ! The only reason Whole Lotta Love, Heartbreaker and Immigrant song were not metal is because the term was not in use then, that I ever heard that is. The thing is however, there was this thing called "new wave of British heavy metal" which begs the question if that was the new wave, what was the old wave ? I know the answer

 

[4speedmetal]

Could be argued that Zep was the tail end of the first British Invasion considering that the Yardbirds were among the originals, even tho they didn't get that much airplay in comparison.

So now I wonder, and maybe you can help me here; when did the first British Invasion end? Did it end when the New Wave started? Opinions please.

 

[4speedmetal]

Razor, just went back and read your post. I've heard of the New Wave. I've never heard the "new wave of heavy metal". School me. I'll try not to fall asleep in class again. "I swear, I haven't been staying out that late!"

 

[razoredge]

The British Invasion was the Beatles, Stones, Animals and who knows who else... Hermans Hermitts? .... lol
The next important change in music began when Hendrix came back from England but just after that 69-73 or so we had all these bands from England, Zep, Sabbath, Purple, Heep and others I'm less fimiliar with that brought a whole new sound to the table. Not sure where Cream fits into the picture, they kinda ran parallel with Hendrix and early Who but Hendrix blew those guys out of the building. It got more heavy with Zep, Sabbath, Purple and Heep than Cream or especially The Who was. I do remember two live albums, The Who- Live at Leeds and maybe ??? Live Cream ? heavy Cream ? minds failing me but anyhow they were two pretty bombastic live albums.

As for NWOBHM, I'll let Wyvern or any of the other old schoolers take that one, that was their hay day, mine was nearly a decade earlier.

 

[Wyvern]

Not sure where Cream fits into the picture

Some credit Cream to be the basis for the metal sound later developed, specially thru songs like 'Sunshine Of Your Love'.

As for NWOBHM, I'll let Wyvern or any of the other old schoolers take that one, that was their hay day, mine was nearly a decade earlier.

Well, actually NWOBHM was around when I started with metal, but I didn't put attention to it deeply until relative a short time ago. Iron Maiden, Def Leppard and Saxon were the only bands for most of my metal grown time. Now I have a lot of bands of that period and keep looking everyday for more

BTW, your post about the first Brit invasion nailed it perfectly

 

[razoredge]

What I question though is: That was the "British Invasion" completely seperate from "NWOBHM" key words... "new wave" nothing to do with invasion also "of heavy metal" so then what was the first wave, seems to me it would have had to have been the late 60's early 70's, heavy "stuff".

I wish I had kept all those old Circus and Raves magazines I read but I just do not remember the term "Metal" being used, that would be probably between '72 & '75/76, my highschool years. After than I just didnt keep up, life got busy.

I do remember everytime a promising new heavy band that had a vocalist with a high range was to release its debut, in reviews they were always compared to LZ. Queen - was something like "this is the next Zeppelin", Rush, nearly the same deal, Montrose itself was not compared to Zeppelin but they sure did mention Robert Plant when talking about Sammy. I guess in a way they were right, Queen, Rush and Sammy all had epic and long careers. Maybe I just misinterpreted what I read, because I know when I heard Queen and Rush I was expecting to hear music very similiar to Zeppelin but found nothing musically similiar other than they were "hardrock". Sammy sure did fill the void I had after Plants voice become more restrained. Big fan of Sammy, the ultimate rock voice IMO, some might say Steven Tyler, others Glenn Hughes, all great voices ... I like old Aerosmith too.... damn more back log CD's to buy. Come to think of it I'd like to find some Trapeze. oh grief

 

[Wyvern]

What I question though is: That was the "British Invasion" completely seperate from "NWOBHM" key words... "new wave" nothing to do with invasion also "of heavy metal" so then what was the first wave, seems to me it would have had to have been the late 60's early 70's, heavy "stuff".

I think now I understand your point. True, if there was a New Wave, therefore an Old Wave should have been before. And yes, was it legit to consider the 70's bands a metal wave? But then again in the name of historical revisionism were Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Blue Oyster Cult, Rush (OK the last two are not UK bands but anyway) metal bands in the 70's or hard rock? Is (was) there a difference between hard rock and heavy metal? When heavy metal was actually started to get used as a moniker for that type of music?

Once I read that the moniker Heavy Metal was coined by BOC producer Sandy Pearlman, don't know how much is this true or not.

I would like to see some posts about this and get a cool exchange of opinions.

 

[4speedmetal]

When heavy metal was actually started to get used as a moniker for that type of music?

Once I read that the moniker Heavy Metal was coined by BOC producer Sandy Pearlman, don't know how much is this true or not.

I would like to see some posts about this and get a cool exchange of opinions.

I always understood that the term Heavy Metal started about 1975. Thought I saw something on video about how Deep Purple had such a horible sound. It wasn't music, more like grinding on heavy metal.

Oh course that's not my opinion. I love Deep Purple. Machine Head is one of the best albums ever made.

Maybe I'll start a new thread on this Heavy Metal thing.

Razor... It's just my opinion, but for my money, one of the best voices for Rock and Roll is Paul Rogers. I won a copy of the new Queen with Rogers cd from a radio contest. Good stuff. Rogers voice is still fantastic.

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

I think now I understand your point. True, if there was a New Wave, therefore an Old Wave should have been before. And yes, was it legit to consider the 70's bands a metal wave? But then again in the name of historical revisionism were Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Blue Oyster Cult, Rush (OK the last two are not UK bands but anyway) metal bands in the 70's or hard rock? Is (was) there a difference between hard rock and heavy metal? When heavy metal was actually started to get used as a moniker for that type of music?

AC/DC was Aussie Aussie Aussie.... not UK...

Once I read that the moniker Heavy Metal was coined by BOC producer Sandy Pearlman, don't know how much is this true or not.

I would like to see some posts about this and get a cool exchange of opinions.

I always understood that the term Heavy Metal started about 1975. Thought I saw something on video about how Deep Purple had such a horible sound. It wasn't music, more like grinding on heavy metal.

I read the term "Heavy Metal" was credited to William S. Burroughs in one of his books before the 70's. Not sure which one but probably Naked Lunch. But the term HM was first used in rock music in Steppen Wolf's Born to Be Wild: "Heavy Metal Thunder" in 1968.

Maybe I'll start a new thread on this Heavy Metal thing.

Just do not start in the General Metal Discussion forum. Trust me.

Razor... It's just my opinion, but for my money, one of the best voices for Rock and Roll is Paul Rogers. I won a copy of the new Queen with Rogers cd from a radio contest. Good stuff. Rogers voice is still fantastic.

I can agree with that though there are probably others I would add as well but right now I woke up from a nap and not any come to mind. But Rodgers work with Free and Bad Company were excellent.

Btw guys you forgot to mention Blue Cheer and perhaps Iron Butterfly in the early metal bands you discussed.

 

[4speedmetal]

Another great voice for rock and roll... Roger Daultry. His wailing in Love, Reign O'er Me. Absolute brilliance!

One of the most pure voices, more suited to soft mushy rock, Paul McCartney. But when I think of it, Helter Skelter was NOT soft rock. Great voice anyway.

 

[4speedmetal]

I read the term "Heavy Metal" was credited to William S. Burroughs in one of his books before the 70's. Not sure which one but probably Naked Lunch. But the term HM was first used in rock music in Steppen Wolf's Born to Be Wild: "Heavy Metal Thunder" in 1968.


Just do not start in the General Metal Discussion forum. Trust me.
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Naked Lunch. Where the name Steely Dan came from. Still need to read that book.

"Heavy Metal Thunder" of course refers to the Harley Davidson motorcycle in that song. I don't think John Kay tryed to take credit for it.

I was wondering where I should start a thread like that. Thanks for the warning, metalhead. I'll stick to Old School then. More my speed anyway.

 

[Wyvern]

AC/DC was Aussie Aussie Aussie.... not UK...

Close enough for rock'n'roll

I read the term "Heavy Metal" was credited to William S. Burroughs in one of his books before the 70's. Not sure which one but probably Naked Lunch. But the term HM was first used in rock music in Steppen Wolf's Born to Be Wild: "Heavy Metal Thunder" in 1968.

Check the new thread all this is also discussed there http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/old-school/474971-origin-term-heavy-metal.html

 

[razoredge]

Paul Rogers is a good voice but never clicked with me like the others. I loved Mark Farners (grand funk) voice. Daultry was hit and miss for me. Hes got some great vocal lines other times I can barely stand to hear him.

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

Another great voice for rock and roll... Roger Daultry. His wailing in Love, Reign O'er Me. Absolute brilliance!

One of the most pure voices, more suited to soft mushy rock, Paul McCartney. But when I think of it, Helter Skelter was NOT soft rock. Great voice anyway.

I liked Daltry in Teenage Wasteland.... and i do like McCartney's voice as well...

 

[razoredge]

Baba O'Riley was great, Wont get fooled again, Behind Blue Eyes, Love, Reign o'er Me... all great vocal lines

I always found it interesting how much similiarity in voice there was between Daltry and Townshend