Rock Discipline Vs. Intense Rock

[Earth Breather]

What vid in your opinion does the best and has the best examples to develop technique?

 

[Meedleyx10]

I gained a lot more fom Rock Discipline personally. Both are good, but I think Rock Discipline is much more methodical in it's approach and is something that will have much greater long-term benefits. Intense rock is worth checking out though.

 

[Earth Breather]

Well I have both and I wanted other opinions on both of them. To see what would be more beneficial to put my practice time towards.

 

[Horus]

Anyone wanna send 'em to me?

 

[progmetaldan]

I only have Rock Discipline out of those 2, but I've found it unbelievably insightful and useful, unlike many other instructional dvd's which just contain a good guitarist showing off their own licks... JP actually gives you stuff u can use for yourself...

 

[Eternal Dragon]

I think any kinda discipline would work I guess, because the word kinda implies that you are committed. Hence anything that will keep you interested should also give u a certain amount of discipline. I'd go with the most interesting one every time, but I havent seen either so I cant comment on that.

When I was taking piano lessons I was only half committed because learning boring songs wasn't so great. Now that I'm learning prog stuff and doin improvisation I'm a lot more committed and I've even started doing a lot more of the boring exercises because I have the motivation and discipline.

Just a bit of insight into my situation. Maybe not so much related to the original question but its something a lot of people neglect to think about, and just continue doing boring stuff until they get sick of their instrument and eventually quit.

 

[Earth Breather]

I mean people have told me that Intense Rock is better for you, but I really like Rock Discipline and it's content is so well structured, and if I master all the exercises in it, it would be just as useful and beneficial right?

 

[progmetaldan]

Right.

 

[Symphoswede]

How long should you have played to have any use for say Rock Discipline?
Or perhaps not how long as people tend to learn differently but anyway..

 

[rockmanxpr]

I own both DVD's now, and for the past 2 years I've using the Intense Rock a lot more. But really these are apples and oranges in comparison. I like the Intense Rock for simply having good lessons and give well a beginner a better chance at mastering the Physical part of playing guitar. Rock Discipline on the other hand gives you more ideas to work with.

So I would say start with Intense Rock and then go to Rock Discipline.

And Paul at least has hot chicks in his vids...

 

[Earth Breather]

yeah, and wild guitar trick antics. the saw

 

[progmetaldan]

Petrucci's seems more focussed, and I like the little in between bits where he talks about when he started, equipment, influences etc. I think it is really interesting, and the warm up tips are really usable.

 

[Earth Breather]

Yeah I do all the stretches and massages before I even pick up the guitar. Hell, this may help me avoid tendonitis. :Smokin:

 

[Yngvai X]

Why limit yourself to just using examples from one of the two videos?

Heres my advice; practice material from both sources. Petrucci's video gives good advice on how to practice... use that in conjunction with the licks Gilbert shows.

 

[<-Warheart->]

I mean people have told me that Intense Rock is better for you, but I really like Rock Discipline and it's content is so well structured, and if I master all the exercises in it, it would be just as useful and beneficial right?

Makes no difference. It's all about presentation and self motivation.

You could get as good as Malmsteen just by watching his "instructional" videos. You could get the booklet and learn the licks and practise them for 15 hours a day, everyday for 7 years without fail. You'd be fucking amazing even though Yngwie doesn't actually teach anything.

Or you could study Rock Discpline and Intense Rock 1 for a few months and learn all the licks and practise for 3 hours a day including an hour warm up and stretches etc and not get that far.

Beginners don't understand that you actually have to PRACTISE YOUR FUCKING ASS OFF REGARDLESS of what video you're watching or what book you're reading or whatever. I could learn every Racer X song, every Dream Theatre song, every Cacophony song, every Michael Angelo Batio solo...but if I didn't actually practise all the stuff necessary to master them, it'd be a big fat waste of time.

My advice is stop worrying about what you're playing and start concentrating on how you sound regardless of what you're playing. Learn anything and everything and practise the fuck out of it if you want to get anywhere with it.

 

[Mystique1721]

^ spoken like a pro.


but sometimes it's hard knowing which techniques to practice before the others. every few months i go through a phase in which i feel like i don't know what to practice. it's like, ok...where i do begin now? but that just takes some consideration i guess. and then you get over it.

 

[Earth Breather]

@ Warheart
So, what your saying is, I just need practice the fuck out of anything, whether its Rock Discipline, Intense Rock, Yngwie Vids etc?

 

[<-Warheart->]

@ Warheart
So, what your saying is, I just need practice the fuck out of anything, whether its Rock Discipline, Intense Rock, Yngwie Vids etc?

EXACTLY!!!!

What matters is HOW you're practising stuff, not WHAT you're practising.


Again, I'll do another exmaple.

Person 1 could learn all the licks off of Intense Rock, Speed Kills and Rock Discpline and play them all full speed and be really sloppy BUT he'd still know all the licks.

Person 2 could practise 10 licks over and over and over and get his fingers repeating 3/4/5 note patterns and get his fingers flying but not actually know any full scale runs.

I can say that person 2 will end up with the better technique because he'll be training his fingers to do the smaller "fragments" that are required for all the full string runs.

If you can't do this at 140bpm:

A----------8--------
E-8-10-12----12-10-

Then how THE HELL do you expect to be able to play the full 6 string version of it??!?!?!!?

That's what all these youtube idiots are doing. They've been playing 1 year, they can't bend or vibrato but yet they're learning all these Racer X solos when I would bet my life that they couldn't play all the BASIC "fragments" that Paul Gilbert and John Petrucci show on their videos.

It's just common sense really but most kids just can't wait so they learn it all and play it as fast as they can. It's very frustrating when you get to this point because it takes ages to progress but it will be worth it if it's what you really want.

 

[ABQShredHead]

Not that I'm a pro or anything (yeah, just shot down my own insight, didn't I?), but I have been playing the instrument for 22+ years. The best recommendation I could give to somebody is to break up their study sessions into intervals. Start with warm ups (as per Petrucci), then spend some time working on technique (as per Petrucci and Gilbert both). But additional time should be added to learn music theory, at least from the basics upward, and ear training. What I wouldn't give to go back in time to the start to develop my ear rather than take the easy way out with magazines. Focus is key, though it may lead to burn out. To avoid burn out, throw in a session of ripping every once in a while.

I have the technique to play nearly anything, and the theory to be dangerous (though little time to apply), but my ear is so far behind I would have to call myself a beginner-level guitar player.

So, I would look at your time spent as a wholistic approach. All aspects should be addressed, somewhat equally, to reap the most rewards from "practicing" music.

With a well developed ear and a good theory background, you can play some crazy stuff that will still rip heads; but, with only technique to fall back on, you may stun people in person but your recordings won't stand up much to the ears of discerning listeners.

 

[Earth Breather]

tr00, thanks guys for your advice.