RUSH

NineFeetUnderground said:
7,428 days, 11 hours, 39 minutes and 4 seconds.

Starting from the date and time of your post, that will be at 12:51:04 am on December 10th, 2026. (Yes, I counted leap years)

I will be 50. Opeth will be bigger than Jesus. And yes, I will check to see that your prediction is right.
 
i aint play this said:
...and i still want to know of what you guys think about Counterparts.

It's like all Rush records post Presto imho. Technically good playing, but overall suffers from a feeling of we've been here before. Perhaps this is not such a bad thing or surprising given how long the band have been making records. Take a look at the song structures from the recent albums and then listen to the instrumentation. It all plays well, but what I don't hear is a band progressing any longer. I have been listening to Rush since I picked up Hemispheres when it was new, so this is a long time. During my high school years I studied the guitar and played in a band that gigged a bit and we never failed to cover a Rush song from that era because I loved how Alex and the boys mixed things up. Rush albums up to Hold Your Fire were all progressing towards a new sound and pushing the envelope in terms of what the group could write and record. Starting with their eighties material the band began simplifying their song structures but this was counterbalanced by their expanding sound, which was great. The zenith of this era for Rush is Power Windows. Fantastic album and tour. As of late, however, from Roll the Bones - Vapor Trails, the songs all start to blend together and Neil Peart's lyrics have stagnated somewhat. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy it's not all Ayn Rand inspired any longer or centered on the concerns of adolescents trying to find their way in the world, but I don't quite relate to what he is penning in the same way I once did. Read the lyrics for Permanent Waves, Signals or Grace Under Pressure and then compare to any recent record going back to Presto. Things are not as fresh as they once were and some of the same songs keep showing up on the latter albums, only slightly altered. What happened to Alex's acoustic guitar? This all being said Rush still kicks major ass live, as much as they did the first time I saw them on the Moving Pics tour, at least they did on the 30th Anniversary Tour last time out. And there are times I enjoy the latter albums because I like the way they sound and so when I am in the mood it's all good. I should also add that Rush still beats the living shit out of most bands out there and how many bands are making their best new material thirty + plus years into their career? In the world of rock and metal, that'd be a big fat zero, so I am just offering a little perspective from a dude who has been listening to the band for a very long time.
 
i pretty much agree with everything you just said Abhorsen. however i would like to point out that it seems once these bands (and their members) hit that 30 year mark...i think they just want to have some fun with what they like to do. Even Yes and King Crimson at this point arent really "progressing", just dabbling further in a sound they already established long ago. So for Rush's case, i think they just want to rock and roll, and have a good time, and make some still relevant and decent, but not necessarily groundbreaking music. Rush has what, 17 studio records under their belt now? I cant fault them for not making something entirely new still...at 50+ years old. And like you said, their live performances are still among the best you will EVER see, with TONS of old and classic material for everyone to enjoy...so really its all good.
 
Abhorsen said:
It's like all Rush records post Presto imho. Technically good playing, but overall suffers from a feeling of we've been here before. Perhaps this is not such a bad thing or surprising given how long the band have been making records. Take a look at the song structures from the recent albums and then listen to the instrumentation. It all plays well, but what I don't hear is a band progressing any longer. I have been listening to Rush since I picked up Hemispheres when it was new, so this is a long time. During my high school years I studied the guitar and played in a band that gigged a bit and we never failed to cover a Rush song from that era because I loved how Alex and the boys mixed things up. Rush albums up to Hold Your Fire were all progressing towards a new sound and pushing the envelope in terms of what the group could write and record. Starting with their eighties material the band began simplifying their song structures but this was counterbalanced by their expanding sound, which was great. The zenith of this era for Rush is Power Windows. Fantastic album and tour. As of late, however, from Roll the Bones - Vapor Trails, the songs all start to blend together and Neil Peart's lyrics have stagnated somewhat. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy it's not all Ayn Rand inspired any longer or centered on the concerns of adolescents trying to find their way in the world, but I don't quite relate to what he is penning in the same way I once did. Read the lyrics for Permanent Waves, Signals or Grace Under Pressure and then compare to any recent record going back to Presto. Things are not as fresh as they once were and some of the same songs keep showing up on the latter albums, only slightly altered. What happened to Alex's acoustic guitar? This all being said Rush still kicks major ass live, as much as they did the first time I saw them on the Moving Pics tour, at least they did on the 30th Anniversary Tour last time out. And there are times I enjoy the latter albums because I like the way they sound and so when I am in the mood it's all good. I should also add that Rush still beats the living shit out of most bands out there and how many bands are making their best new material thirty + plus years into their career? In the world of rock and metal, that'd be a big fat zero, so I am just offering a little perspective from a dude who has been listening to the band for a very long time.

I hear you!! well, of course Counterparts is not as fresh or innovative as the older classics, but i think it is damn good different-sounding Rush album, their best of the 90's, it sounds quite mechanical, something about the production maybe, but it rocks.
 
i aint play this said:
I hear you!! well, of course Counterparts is not as fresh or innovative as the older classics, but i think it is damn good different-sounding Rush album, their best of the 90's, it sounds quite mechanical, something about the production maybe, but it rocks.

"nobodys hero", "leave that thing alone" and "cut to the chase" are all worthy rush tracks in their repertoire. in fact...i was quite upset when they didnt play "leave that thing alone" one of the times i saw Rush live...so thats saying a lot for one of their post 80s records.
 
Exit stage left was an amazing concert..... I wish I was a couple of years older then I would've seem All the worlds a stage!

Anyway there isn't enough time to be bothered with listening to Rush after Moving Pictures even if they did manage to make a few good songs since then....
 
NineFeetUnderground said:
i pretty much agree with everything you just said Abhorsen. however i would like to point out that it seems once these bands (and their members) hit that 30 year mark...i think they just want to have some fun with what they like to do. Even Yes and King Crimson at this point arent really "progressing", just dabbling further in a sound they already established long ago. So for Rush's case, i think they just want to rock and roll, and have a good time, and make some still relevant and decent, but not necessarily groundbreaking music. Rush has what, 17 studio records under their belt now? I cant fault them for not making something entirely new still...at 50+ years old. And like you said, their live performances are still among the best you will EVER see, with TONS of old and classic material for everyone to enjoy...so really its all good.

+1

I especially agree about Crimson. While their eighties material is not my favorite, the Crims really became a new and interesting band in that decade and it seems that since then they have been writing and recording music that mostly sounds like a mush of all their past lives. Some of it is ok, but definitely regressive. One of the aspects I love about Rush is that they have never sucked. No bad albums, all decent with some being simply outstanding.
 
whilst working today I listened to Presto, Bones, CP, Echo and Vapor Trails. It was an interesting experience and my impressions were a little different than what I expected. Some long time fans were put off a little by the eighties keys sounds Rush employed on albums like Hold Your Fire. These don't bother me at all as I think PW and HYF kick ass because the band understand how to craft songs that complement this element. But as I listened to Presto and Bones today, I was put off a little by the electronic drum bits. It sounds like Peart is playing on top of the kit a lot, but he's not, it just an electronic sound, almost like taps, which is different than what came before, but not one I particularly care for. Same as the sound Pat Mastelloto gets a lot (with General Fripp's direction, hence the departure of Billy B) on the last two Crim studio records. Animate stood out as a really fantastic track and in general I have to agree that Echo and Vapor Trails rock harder and sound heavier than the previous three and as such, I prefer them. There is still some repetition going on here, especially in Alex's playing, but overall solid records. One last thing, I had forgotten how annoying the spoken word parts are on some of these records. Geddy no!