School is boring

Yeah, if you're not getting challenged at all in your classes you're not doing much of anything. It'll be that way forever unless you find a subject that you really like and have the patience to make your way up to high-level studies in college. High school in the States is daycare with drugs and fucking.

In my high school I was noticeably bored all of the time and it got to the point where I had the university that owned my school bending over backwards to keep me from going postal. After flying through basically the first half of a math degree with As I basically knew that they are assuming stupidity of amazing degrees and you're killing yourself if you let that be the end of what you go through. If you're near the end, finish up and try to survive; if you've got another year or more to go, enroll in any local college that you can and start killing prerequisites and core curriculum as fast as you fucking can if you're going to college because there's no way to survive an education system that wants to turn you into an MTV zombie working a 9-to-5 as an office decoration if you're not willing to do your own thing and tell anyone who stops you to fuck themselves with a cattle prod.

Jeff
 
Yeah, if you're not getting challenged at all in your classes you're not doing much of anything. It'll be that way forever unless you find a subject that you really like and have the patience to make your way up to high-level studies in college. High school in the States is daycare with drugs and fucking.

In my high school I was noticeably bored all of the time and it got to the
point where I had the university that owned my school bending over backwards to keep me from going postal. After flying through basically the first half of a math degree with As I basically knew that they are assuming stupidity of amazing degrees and you're killing
yourself if you let that be the end of what you go through. If you're near the end, finish up and try to survive; if you've got another year or more to go, enroll in any local college that you can and start killing prerequisites and core curriculum as fast as you fucking can if you're going to college because there's no way to survive an education system that wants to turn you into an MTV zombie working a 9-to-5 as an office decoration if you're not willing to do your own thing and tell anyone who stops you to fuck themselves with a cattle prod.
Jeff

you make some valid points, but you exaggerate a little. Having experienced two very different education systems 1-8 in romania, and 10-11 in the states, I can say that some classes in a romanian middle school are more intensive than math classes in an american high school. I'm talking about math and physics. Last year i was in the highest level math for an underclassman avaialble and i aced that thing sleeping in class and never opening the math book except for doing some homework that if not done would jeopardize my grade beyond recognition. I am now in precalculus, and this requires me to do my homework, but still sleep in class to ace every test. To take comparing math here and there further, in romania no one has expensive ti83 graphing calculators (no one affords 100$+ calculators where the low middle class families make as a total around 800Euros a month). We did everything by hand. Some of my colleagues in my math class were amaized that I could graph a parabola by hand, and do hella multiplication in my head, skill which i now lost due to doing lots of things on the calculator. 6 through 8th grade i had to do physics and learned about electricity, arhmide's law, pressures, wire tension, accelerations and all that shit that most underclassmen at my high school don't know. Here yo are required to take physics for one year, which i will take next year. So I can't say about it. However the romanian educational system is equally shitty, but on different things. We learn there lots of useless shit, and overburdens students to hell and back, and teachers don't give a fuck about students due to their miserable pay (200$/month for a middleschool teacher)

In America english language and literature and social sciences are taught incredibly well with competent teachers. Much much much (can't underline how much better) better than romanian language and literature was taught back at home. I loved learning american history (1754-present) in history, and reading and analyzing 10 books so far this year in language arts. I actually gained a skill that I will be able to use everywhere and in any language: to write good essays. Also the amount of reading done made me less ignorant, and expanded my vocabulary quite a bit.Tech ed is done much better higher, although high levels of stupidity are assumed by the curriculum.

Chemistry and biology are also taught well here, but so are in romania.
that was my comparison of 2 education systems, my point being that the system in US assumes high levels of stupidy like Jeff said, but not on all fields IMHO, and it won't turn you into an MTV whore in most cases as long as you don't allow it.

A person's education is not all achieved though going to school. Parents play a very important role. If you think that if you pack your kid a lunch or give him 5$ to buy lunch, send him to school, and yell at him to do his homework and ground him when he gets shit grades, then your kid is most likely to be an MTV whore or a brainwashed faggot. Parents need to talk to their kids about society, what is right and wrong (not the christian bullshit things), teach their kids tollerance and acceptance. Such things are not part of the math or English curriculum. Also parents need to promote openess kindness, pragmatism, and encourage reading various novel and take their kids on trips outside the US, have them visit the world, and by that I don't mean going to the beach in hawai (which is part of the US) or some exotic place, but taking them with them in restaurants, museums, and places where they can experience the different society, so they learn not to go eeewww when exposed to a slightly different culture.

Conclusion: there are lots of factors deciding how educated a kid is going to end up, and the education system isn't the only one, but a big part of it.
sorry for the huge rant
 
No, you're right, more goes into an education system - but the education system has to hold a lot of people back and when they do, bad things happen. When I was a junior, I slept through - and aced - Pre-Cal and Cal 1, and those two were the hard shit that was supposed to keep people back. And that was at a well-esteemed private school. I was also pretty much the guy who knew math through out my schooling - the teachers did the stuff outlined in the book, and I had to figure out how to convey the information in a way that wasn't boneheadedly stupid. Hell, I tutored a jock in high school who didn't even understand the concept of a variable until I told him he could use left-breast and right-breast instead of x and y - something is wrong there.

The way our education system inevitably winds up working brings about equality at the expense of every bit of potential that everyone but the dumb kid has. Everyone is so afraid to fail a student that nobody ever is able to advance past the rate of the jackass who doesn't eat lunch because he's too busy digesting plugs of glue. It would be fine if parents did more and the students were motivated, but school effectively kills a lot of the desire to advance and really learn. I can't count the times I've seen people punished for wanting to go outside the norm or pursue something slightly outside the text - hell, it happened to me so many times that I wound up learning more from researching on my own and arguing with the teachers than from the shit they tried to actually teach. It would be fine if it was just 'sit down, someone will read to you shortly, don't be too obvious when you're jacking off, flirting, or sleeping, and go home' but they attempt to condition people and work their heads in more ways than they should and people just don't want to read about the world on their own. 'As long as you don't allow it' is irrelevant when most people don't even know that they're being turned into sheep - and wouldn't care even if they did know. Schools aren't even a resource for people who want to learn - the best thing you can possibly fucking do for yourself at this point in time is skip classes and go to a real library. Unless your school has brought Richard Feynman back from the fucking dead and gotten him on staff, you're not getting a year's worth of physics - Bohm's 'Quantum Theory' is my leisure reading, I know the stuff pretty well and I can say that the stuff you'll get in high school is just as much a memorize-and-regurgitate deal as your history. If you don't have a full background in calculus, possibly with introduction to differential equations and more than likely with linear algebra, you're not getting it the way you'll need to get it. If you want grades, go to school - if you want to learn physics, buy the Feynman Lectures on Physics (all three of them, fucker, the box set and everything) and get cracking.

I won't get started on parents - the fact that people expect public schools to teach kids about sex and drugs instead of getting a clue themselves just sickens me. If school were just a part of the system, we'd be better off, but people (the schools included) expect the school to do everything and the school acts on that; so few people realize how the system is broken that it's depressing. Liberals want to just throw money at problems, conservatives think putting prayer back in will fix everything, Al Gore thinks we should expel kids for fart jokes because flatulence causes global warming... it's another talking-point but nobody really knows how to fix - or even wants to fix - the real problems like the lack of motivation. Complacency is as much a part of the curriculum as any actual subject matter, there's no way around it.

Spend a bit more time, and once you get to college you'll see that everything you've been prepared with was pretty piss-poor unless you've gone out of your way on your own time to learn. You're far from the worst out there, but if you're satisfied with what you've gotten then there's something wrong - you should never be satisfied with what you've learned, there always has to be more. If you can take a four-year-old that doesn't stop asking questions and wind up with a fourteen-year-old who thinks he has all of the answers, you may have a fucked up kid; if all of them turn out like that you've got a flaw in the way that the education system and I doubt that the whole 'sit down, shut up, be happy' mentality is helping.

If I could give myself one bit of advice, it would be to burn the fucking place down, skip as many grades as I want to, spend my days in libraries instead of getting mooed at in classrooms, and handle everything at my own pace and on my own time. It shouldn't be that exceptional for people to wind up with college degrees at eighteen and doctorates at twenty-four. I want to puke every time I think of all the time I wasted getting barked at and spending twelve years in an education system that shouldn't have taken six, and I'm one of the lucky ones for getting out with some sense of integrity and motivation.

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Jeff
 
the american schooling system is...ok. But i have some friends that i went to school with here that were full korean. They go to school all year around...his name was damter, very smart guy. They are more disiplined over there.
 
However Jeff, learning is not everything about school. It is about gaining some social experience too. That is the part that the system does great. In the US we have good organized sports (even soccer) for example. It is a great way to make closer friends playing on a soccer, football, whatever team sport team. The US educational system provides lots of social skill learning opportunity, maybe a bit too much i would say sometimes.

You talked about motivation above. I am gonna take the sport example a step further. Consider soccer for instance. the US has the best organized soccer in the world, and the skill level for high schoolers is amazing for the good ones. Then one would ask, why does the US suck at soccer? My brazillian soccer coach had this theory which i agree with to some extent. In the US there is no rivalry between schools, and not enough roughness to the sports as every mom is afraid their little kids will break their bones and die if they run an extra lap, or if they play a little more physical. In Brazil from what my coach told me, they would do street soccer. that street vs the other street and play street soccer, and have lots of rivalry between teams on the field, and even fight or play physical to hell and back, but after the games they would all be friends and hang out. Moreover, they would play soccer 6 hours a day, which is kinda unimaginable for a white rich American kid in omst cases as no one would be willing to sacrifice their precious social time playing soccer, or pursuing their hobbies. I think it is a thing of mentality, and until that changes no matter how many more nukes bush develops the US soccer team will still get raped by the Brassileros.
I am still going to school for 2 reasons: the weight of the diploma in the eyes of most colleges (that is what i heard, and been told by parents, school counselors, and co) and for the social aspect.
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And how long will those friends last when you leave? You'll keep a handful, tops. You'll have them around a few years, maybe a couple for longer, not too much. Social skills are still fucked - all cliques, the 'cool kids' may get that, but guess what? Most people get left out in the rain as far as that goes. Some do well in soccer or football or masturbating furiously into the wind or whatever public schools do now, but that's very few people getting a lot of resources and a lot of the school's focus. Social skills can come from many other places, but you're not learning about general relativity at the disco. They're not worth the lost time when you keep in mind that few people really benefit from that (it's not even what schools are set up for) and most people will still wind up being inept and frustrated drones.

As for 'no rivalry between schools'... come to fucking Texas some time. You'll see businesses closed all day for football games. Coaches recruit students in public schools - public *middle* schools. Stoned jocks with no interest in learning get a full ride to any school they want; UT wouldn't give me a dime because all I can do is get perfect scores on math exams, read five books a week, and teach calculus to eight year olds. And are Texas athletes better? Hardly. I can't stand that fucking shit. People here play games in the street - constantly - and sports are everything. Are we better? Are we more cohesive? Are we more socially skilled? Fuck no - everyone just screams Go Spurs Go! at any opportunity given.

Social skills should not be a priority. It's the education system, not the let's-get-everyone-laid-and-watch-Superman system.

Jeff