Single mother of 2 fined $220,000 for file-sharing Opeth
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shes a fucking single mom...
it did say guns n roses too though.... anyone else see where im going with this?
So this case seems to be getting quite negative attention in general. How would the members of Opeth feel being plastered all over a case like this? I know Mike says he is not too fond of file sharing, so maybe it's worth "carrying the banner" to hammer down on the freeloaders? The publicity involving cases like this can be very tough to bear, just look at Mr. Ulrich. (Not saying he didn't deserve it 
)
Or was it the record company acting on their own? (I hardly believe they would do that though, considering what I said above)
No I don't have a point, now go away!
)Or was it the record company acting on their own? (I hardly believe they would do that though, considering what I said above)
No I don't have a point, now go away!
I wasn't aware of this until I saw myself in the paper today on the tube.
It's pretty wierd seeing us mentioned in something we had no involvement in or even knew about.
I totally understand how filesharing helped spread our name and I'd never diss it on that basis. From my personal point of view I don't download as I want the actual copy of the album. I could never have a CDR copy in my collection. I'd see the fake spine of the case in the corner of my eye while watching the telly and go..."Fuck that thing!". With my record collecting I've always been purist and that aint gonna change anytime soon.
There's a few things I really don't like about it and that is the "leak" of a new record. That upsets me to no end and I can honestly say I hate it. It's our piece of art/work that WE decide when it's made public, not anyone else. So yeah, when a new album leaks before the release we feel nothing short of ripped off. The people leaking it seem to have the "look what I found...you can thank me later..." type of attitude.
These are rough times for metal bands. The only way to survive is to tour a lot but I'm worried ticket prices will be massively inflated soon because of the album sales going down. Then again, that's just speculations.....
Hope all is well with you guys.
Cheers
Mike
It's pretty wierd seeing us mentioned in something we had no involvement in or even knew about.
I totally understand how filesharing helped spread our name and I'd never diss it on that basis. From my personal point of view I don't download as I want the actual copy of the album. I could never have a CDR copy in my collection. I'd see the fake spine of the case in the corner of my eye while watching the telly and go..."Fuck that thing!". With my record collecting I've always been purist and that aint gonna change anytime soon.
There's a few things I really don't like about it and that is the "leak" of a new record. That upsets me to no end and I can honestly say I hate it. It's our piece of art/work that WE decide when it's made public, not anyone else. So yeah, when a new album leaks before the release we feel nothing short of ripped off. The people leaking it seem to have the "look what I found...you can thank me later..." type of attitude.
These are rough times for metal bands. The only way to survive is to tour a lot but I'm worried ticket prices will be massively inflated soon because of the album sales going down. Then again, that's just speculations.....
Hope all is well with you guys.
Cheers
Mike
i agree Mikael....I like buying Cd's because of the art it comes with.
I can see the Leaking too, That is pretty messed up. Tool has tried to do something about that, but it still got leaked.
I can see the Leaking too, That is pretty messed up. Tool has tried to do something about that, but it still got leaked.
remember when people used to buy CD:s for the music?
These are strange times indeed.
"The only way to survive is to tour a lot but I'm worried ticket prices will be massively inflated soon because of the album sales going down."
Tell Roadrunner they need to sue more people then!
These are strange times indeed.
"The only way to survive is to tour a lot but I'm worried ticket prices will be massively inflated soon because of the album sales going down."
Tell Roadrunner they need to sue more people then!
Shemsu'Hor
Member
I totally know what ya mean Mike, I only download stuff to get a taste of the music and if I like I'll go buy the album. I have this really weird thing about having a real copy of the record, in fact the only time I ever burn a copy of a cd is when I make a mix of stuff a friend wants to hear or whatever. When someone walks into my bedroom and sees my wall of cds they're like "wow, you have a lot of cds" and I'm like "yes, yes I do" and I get this warm fuzzy feeling inside 
lol. Oh and about the leaking thing, it pisses me off as well. I never have and never will download a leaked album, it's like a slap in the face for the artist. My brother will be like "check out the new Nile cd it just leaked" and I'll say "fuck off, I'll hear it when I buy it".
lol. Oh and about the leaking thing, it pisses me off as well. I never have and never will download a leaked album, it's like a slap in the face for the artist. My brother will be like "check out the new Nile cd it just leaked" and I'll say "fuck off, I'll hear it when I buy it".see he dislikes it for the right reasons, not because "were the band and we arent getting our cut"
I too was one of those that discovered Opeth through file sharing or Peer 2 peer programs. After downloading about 10 tracks I then went out and purchased 3 albums straight off. And then the rest. and then the t- shirts and then the DVD. Now I tell as many people as I can about how great Opeth are. File sharing made this possible.
For a band like Opeth that don't really feature on the radio (at least in my country, dont know about yours) file sharing is the only way of 'trialling a band before you buy'. The cost of albums are too much that you'd go out and buy an imported album at an increased price from a record store that focuses in more 'obscure 'musical tastes.
And to stop leaks you could always release some 'unreleased demos' that might never find their way to an album and rename them as the 'new tracks' on the p2p networks.
For a band like Opeth that don't really feature on the radio (at least in my country, dont know about yours) file sharing is the only way of 'trialling a band before you buy'. The cost of albums are too much that you'd go out and buy an imported album at an increased price from a record store that focuses in more 'obscure 'musical tastes.
And to stop leaks you could always release some 'unreleased demos' that might never find their way to an album and rename them as the 'new tracks' on the p2p networks.
Tash
like this with the devil
The leaking thing happened to Entombed on their latest album. They were still in the process of finalising the artwork when I saw a thread on a message board somewhere discussing the new album that they'd just heard after downloading it. Downloading is wrong, everybody knows it, but there's something ultra-rude about downloading an album before release date, before finalities are sorted out.
I'm pretty sure she got sued so hardcore because she didn't do their little out of court settlement deal, which is usually only a couple thousands dollars.
I dont really download to discover bands i tend to discover them through last.fm but metal Cds can be hard to get hold for example pre Blackwater Park Opeth has to be purchased online and they charge about 10 quid for Orchid on amazon not that its gonna stop me buying it cause if i really like the band i want to have the actual cd. In some cases the Cds can only really be aquired through downloading but its not really true in Opeths case.
ufomagnet
Metal photographer
Shemsu'Hor
Member
I just bought a copy of Morningrise for a friend off of CM Distro for $10, it was sweet cause it woulda been around $17 in a store here.
Khayman666
Lord of the tomb
Quid is British Pounds Sterling. So it's about $21 USD. Still a good price in the UK. HMV had Orchid for 17 quid last time I looked. With the exchange rate at the time that worked out to about $40.
dcat
Member
Mikael Åkerfeldt;6581440 said:
you earthlings are sooo neanderthal
apostle on triumph
nice reply Mike
From Soundave's post:
Record company: $ 710,000
Producer: $ 90,000
Manager: $ 51,000
Studio: $ 52,500
Previous label: $ 50,000
Agent: $ 7,500
Lawyer: $ 12,000
Band member net income each: $ 4,031.25
Is it normal for producers to get so much money from one album (since they don't get money from touring, do they?)
Also, is it normal for the manager to get so much as well?
Record company: $ 710,000
Producer: $ 90,000
Manager: $ 51,000
Studio: $ 52,500
Previous label: $ 50,000
Agent: $ 7,500
Lawyer: $ 12,000
Band member net income each: $ 4,031.25
Is it normal for producers to get so much money from one album (since they don't get money from touring, do they?)
Also, is it normal for the manager to get so much as well?
Don Corleone
Emre
The Democratisation of the Music industry
Category: Music
Hello folks,
This thrilling installment sees me departing from the usual exciting technical observations to address the imminent implosion of the Music industry.
Experts (And I'm not talking Sky news "experts") have stated that this Christmas will be the last stand for CD as the main delivery medium for music. After Christmas the CD will be phased out, as will the major CD retail outlets. EMI are posting a 15% loss in album sales in the first 5 months of the year. Downloads via Itunes and other Music download sites are reporting trade as brisk but comes nowhere near offsetting the losses being sustained from CD.
The "industry" dropped the ball a long time ago. It pursued a creaky and outdated business model, got into the internet way too late and most importantly foisted shite masquerading as music for the past twenty years or so on an unsuspecting and increasingly bored public. One glorious example of ineptitude was when EMI, in an effort to stave off even more severe losses, took the bizarre step of giving Robbie Williams 100 million. His last album bombed completely and put EMI in a tailspin. What be-ponytailed eejit thought that was a good idea.
The problem with many in the industry is that they have never really had a clue what was going on and their's is a history of one monumental fuck up after another. Between ripping off the general public on CD prices to Sony's remarkable gaff of installing root kits on to people's computers. The music industry is a multi billion dollar industry with monkeys at the controls. But the ship is going down and fast.
The good news is that it has levelled the playing field. No more creepy A&R men, no more greedy distributors and no more exorbitant retail prices. It is amazing how many strong-selling artists are yet to make a cent from their recordings. That's just wrong.
I do think the general public does like spending money on music and would infinitely prefer if that money went directly to the artist. And what better way than to buy directly from the artist. Happy days.
More later,
Karl
by Karl Odlum
Category: Music
Hello folks,
This thrilling installment sees me departing from the usual exciting technical observations to address the imminent implosion of the Music industry.
Experts (And I'm not talking Sky news "experts") have stated that this Christmas will be the last stand for CD as the main delivery medium for music. After Christmas the CD will be phased out, as will the major CD retail outlets. EMI are posting a 15% loss in album sales in the first 5 months of the year. Downloads via Itunes and other Music download sites are reporting trade as brisk but comes nowhere near offsetting the losses being sustained from CD.
The "industry" dropped the ball a long time ago. It pursued a creaky and outdated business model, got into the internet way too late and most importantly foisted shite masquerading as music for the past twenty years or so on an unsuspecting and increasingly bored public. One glorious example of ineptitude was when EMI, in an effort to stave off even more severe losses, took the bizarre step of giving Robbie Williams 100 million. His last album bombed completely and put EMI in a tailspin. What be-ponytailed eejit thought that was a good idea.
The problem with many in the industry is that they have never really had a clue what was going on and their's is a history of one monumental fuck up after another. Between ripping off the general public on CD prices to Sony's remarkable gaff of installing root kits on to people's computers. The music industry is a multi billion dollar industry with monkeys at the controls. But the ship is going down and fast.
The good news is that it has levelled the playing field. No more creepy A&R men, no more greedy distributors and no more exorbitant retail prices. It is amazing how many strong-selling artists are yet to make a cent from their recordings. That's just wrong.
I do think the general public does like spending money on music and would infinitely prefer if that money went directly to the artist. And what better way than to buy directly from the artist. Happy days.
More later,
Karl
by Karl Odlum
hibernal_dream
A Mind Forever Voyaging
Why is everyone talking about money as if that's what music is about? I'd be in favour two steps: Killing the record industry and killing recorded music. History has shown it is the best music, not the most popular, that lasts. Let sheet music and public performances dominate what is thought of as music, then not only will advertising fail and the true and best artists thrive during their lifetimes and beyond, people will start once again celebrating music in a concert atmosphere instead of in their bedrooms with their trophied disc collections.
No.
a) The good music that has lasted was usually popular during the time it was releasd.
b) Just because good music has lasted, doesn't mean that ALL good music has lasted. Maybe music that wasn't popular was just as good or even better, but has just been forgotten by time.
Being popular is good for everyone - the musicians and the fans. Being good is not good enough anymore (if it ever was) for a person to live solely off music.
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