Some advice

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Hey guys.

I've seriously started thinking about learning Sound Engineering. Basically, I want to go into producing, and I was thinking that that is probably the best way. Obviously, I have a couple of reservations:

a) I really have no clue about this side of music. I listen to msuic, haven't done anything more. Is it a problem?

b) Do I really want to turn my hobby (listening to music) into a profession?

c) Is there really a future in it? I mean, any bozo can record in his own room. Isn't producing on it's way to being obsolete?

d) The biggest problem may also be that there isn't a decent place to study this in Israel, so I'll probably have to go abroad. I read about the SAE schools online. Anyone know about it?

Also, what other things can I do if I do study this, except for producing?

Thanks
 
actually that's what I've been thinking for a year. I heard that there were many good colleges in the UK, I had found some on google (Point Blank Music College, two year course of sound engineering and music production). but i don't know where to start too:) any suggestions would be great
 
Hey mate,

Mr Samsara asked me to chip in here, so I'll do the best I can in hopefully shedding some light on the state of the industry, work prospects etc. for you.

Ideally, you would want to have at least dabbled in some recording, of any kind, before committing to any kind of career path in the audio industry. It takes a fairly particular sort of person, and not everybody has the nerve to stick with it. I would suggest, at the very least, reading up on basic recording techniques and giving them a go for yourself. The book 'Modern Recording Techniques' is a great place for a beginner to start. I personally started with a copy of Cool Edit 2 and a desire to cover Opeth songs.

Secondly, it isn't necessary to be an audio engineer in order to be a producer. To draw from a popular example: Rick Rubin, is a producer who isn't either a musician or an engineer. He is simply a person with an ear tuned towards what sounds 'good' to many people. His approach is very hands-off and oriented entirely around the bigger picture of a record. On the other hand, there are many producers who are both accomplished musicians and engineers. The latter likely have an easier time communicating with artists in their own terms, and bringing about their own vision by themselves.

Regarding 'b)', it depends how much you value your music on a personal level and whether you are ready for your music appreciation mechanism to change and evolve in fairly radical ways. It is very easy to get caught up and disillusioned when taking a path down the audio industry. Some people come out with their passion intact, whilst others come out in tatters, realizing that turning their passion into a business has torn all soul from it.

Re: 'c)', yes and no. There will always be a future in it for those who are talented, ambitious, capable and persistent. It is no easy path to take. Many take it simply because they enjoy working with music, not expecting any sort of profitable career out of it. The failure rate, if it were published, would be immense. The problem lies in that the industry essentially started destroying itself and its own need to exist. Manufacturers create products and market them towards musicians, instilling them with the idea that they can record and produce their own CDs with ease. Whilst being a pipe dream for many, it seems to have taken root on a great level and brought life to an era where people are reluctant to purchase professional help in realizing their musical vision on both musical and technical levels.

The recording schools sell a dream, not a reality. The degree you come out with on the other end is nothing more than a glorified piece of toilet paper. Academic achievements aren't big in the industry. Since you tend to deal with people, their hopes, ambitions, money etc. they tend to want to see something more concrete. Experience and repertoire are key. Connections and networking with others in the field are also vital. Interning at a studio, or running with a production company provides much more valuable experience and insight than sitting in a classroom. Think of it as being a trade rather than a job. You're an electrician, a plumber, a builder - not a lawyer or a doctor.

Producing is a fairly broad endeavor. Usually producing implies a deep knowledge of musical things, what sounds good, technical matters etc. but not necessarily any of them at the same time. Sometimes it's just about luck. You have to come from somewhere though. You don't just go to a school and come out a 'producer' on the other end. You need the experience, the track record. The most straight forward way is to experiment with writing and recording your own music. Taking care of both the technical and artistic matters anoints you as 'producer' to some degree. If you get a taste for it and like it, then run with it.

Good luck.
 
yes, i guess if you are in one of those schools maybe you might have a chance to meet some real professionals and show them what you got, that's all. thanks for the response Moonlapse..
 
Thanks moonlapse.

I know that a big deal in the industry is connections. The problem is, I have none. I don't know anyone who plays an instrument, or anyone who is even remotely interested in this stuff. So, one of the things I hoped to gain was exactly that - connections. Also, I think I remember reading that at the SAE school, when you're done you're garunteed an internship afterwards (though I may be mistaken).
Also, from what I understand (which is very little) it would be impossible to find a decent career in production here - I'd probably have to go abroad for that.

Also, to start home recording, you need the right gear. Right now, I don't have the time and especially the money to fund something like this. Especially since I have no idea what equipment to get - what's high end? What's low end? How much do I need to pay for a decent home-recording system?



Basically - this is my problem: I want to get into this side of the business, but have no idea how. So I thought this would be a good first step.


I'm in a period in my life that I feel I need to decide what I plan to do with it. I'm going to South America for about six months in December, and I'd like to have some direction when I return. Up until recently, that plan was university when I returned. Now, I'm afraid that I'll "play" with recording for a while, find out that I won't be able to have it as a career (whether because of myself or my surroundings), and then return to step 1 - back in university, just 5 years later.

Finally - is there anything else to do with this "degree"? For example, working on films/tv shows or basically anything where music is being produced.



Thanks again.