Sophie's Choice; Agalloch Edition

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Please listen to both albums over the wknd prior to voting. Lets all honor Nadrick with this task. He's brought us 30000 posts of joy throughout the years, its the least we can do.

P.S This thread is serious. Consider this as a mini trial run for the tourney to come.




 
lol @ Sophie's Choice

Hey I'll even A/B the two myself! Wouldn't it be funny if I voted for Marrow?
 
Well I voted before listening, but I will honor the request. I am 100% confident that my opinion will not be changed, Serpent is a weak album.
 
20 minutes into Marrow and I know exactly why I don't like this album very much. After the opening two tracks it just drags. It's the only Agalloch album that makes me impatient for it to end. In fact the only reason I don't turn it off halfway through track 3 is because the band has given me so much aural pleasure over the years and I go "okay just finish up so I can go to sleep."
 
i voted before reading or listening (as you do) but honestly there is literally no way i would ever change this vote

but i'll still listen just because i love y'all
 
I will always go back to listen to stuff that yous guys like because man sometimes it just clicks after 10 years.

Rwake and Nokturnal Mortum turned into two of my favoUrite bands ever and wow did I hate them for ages.
 
I would say I'm now "revisiting" Serpent but I just listened to it a month ago, and a few weeks before that, etc.

And now that I recall, an old drummer of mine also loved this album. The vinyl came out a month after the CD was released, and we both immediately bought that as well. Every few weeks afterward we'd have the following in depth discussion at band practice:

"remember that time we bought The Serpent & the Sphere on vinyl?"
"yeah!"
"that was pretty cool."
"yeah."

So that's my vote.
 
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This is NOT something ive undertaken in awhile. Spent 15 minutes getting this resource up and running. Turns out Duracell is a sub par battery maker, as my AAs leaked like Victoria Beckham's left teat into my discman innards. The primal grimace was wiped away by a spine of steel (MT plug), as I dusted this gem off, popped the top, and saw Old Mornings Dawn inside. Within an instant a crescent aspect was begotten to a facade well worn. "So thats where youve been hiding all along!"

Pulled my Grados out of a zip lock, and saw that the the cups (ear protection foam portion thingamaniggy) had disintegrated into dust. Thus far this is a mighty metal experience, and I had yet to push play.

In twitch.tv desperation I looked around for some sort of headphone. I wanted to blast this offering proper in the name of All Mighty Adrian! Alas, I grab my Sony PS4 headphones. Would these work? Probably would sound like utter tripe.

With this gaming sacrilege cast to the pyre, I rummaged through my closet leave-ins, and found a pair of sennheisers to do this proper. Huzzah!

With discman, Senns, and a fillibrating heart of wonder...Where that wonder once was etched within a cardiac cellar filled with youthful aspirations, a cathedral stood with pillars of perspective erected on a foundation of experiences longed to be rekindled...


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On listen 2 of Marrow.

Well Adrian, you accomplished something inadvertently. I thoroughly enjoy MotS now. Black Lake Nidstang in particular, kicking my fooqin face in. Im gathering this is the song that you contest meanders along? Its the longest of the second half of the album. Loving it.

Going to listen to Sphere next and give it that recency bias listen. So there may be hope, but its looking bleak bruv.
 
May need to add Ashes Against the Grain to this comp for the bronze metal. I think Marrow can beat it. (Havent listened to Ashes in ages, but if ye want to talk about meandering, well there ye go.)
 
ashes is waaay better than both

listening to serpent atm, for some reason the spotify version doesn’t include ”birth and death...” and ”plateau”. why

revised opinion pending
 
Well fuck, now Dark Matter Gods doesnt sound as bad as before. Mind ye, im in a real good mood. DMX's dead corpse rapping as a ventriloquist dummy could get me head bobbin right now.
 
basic opinion:

* marrow of the spirit is a good album performed and recorded poorly
* serpent & the sphere is a bad album performed and recorded well


elaborations on these points:

MARROW OF THE SPIRIT

* at this point as i recall the band had this misguided idea that hey, we're a ROCK BAND, wouldn't it be nice if we recorded ALL ANALOG and a bit more LIVE like THE BEATLES. well but you're not the beatles, see. it's generally not very tight, the guitars are congested and muddy, the drum sounds are terrible (check out that fucking ride! 0:55 "the watcher's monolith" -- what the actual shit were they doing? it's like they accidentally muted the overheads during mixdown) and the mix is generally just bad. this is not what "analog warmth" or whatever sounds like, this is just poor mixing. i'm sorry.

* it would have been nice if they tuned and intonated their guitars before recording the album. (6:08 of "ghosts of the midwinter fires", holy shit. how do you let this slip through the cracks?)

* he seems like a decent guy and i actually feel bad for talking so much shit about his performance but aesop dekker's drumming on this album is some of the worst metal drumming i've heard, full stop. you can hear his arms gradually cooking into pasta al dente towards the end of "into the painted grey", it's actually cringeworthy. i feel bad when i listen to it and that really sours my enjoyment of the Art, ya know?

* i think the second half of "to drown" is one of the real highlights of the album and generally it's a bad sign i think when the highlights of a metal album are when they're not metalling.

* "black lake nidstång" is a bunch of overwrought bullshit for the most part. actually the album as a whole is heavy on the overwrought bullshit. it's like they've forgotten that when they were at their strongest, they actually had super-tight songwriting. on "pale folklore" there's interesting, well-crafted stuff going on all the time, now there's too much noodling about and random post-rock sections on untuned guitars. i just don't know.

* i think the album in general has a feeling of giving up on part of the creative and evolutionary process and just committing to like "hey we're agalloch so let's do agalloch things", yes ghosts of the midwinter fires recalls bits and pieces of pale folklore and the mantle but it just doesn't work for me. it's like they're just doing what is expected of them.

* all this means that i can't really listen to this album without being constantly aware of all the technical defects. i think it actually ruins the album for me. i feel like it really makes me unable to immerse myself into the world they're trying to create. it's a sad thing too because the second half of "into the painted grey" rips and is one of the band's more inspired post-mantle pieces.



SERPENT & THE SPHERE

* i have almost no technical complaints this time. it sounds good. aesop is still the most boring drummer this side of a roland tr-808 but at least he's tighter and has a less annoying drum sound this time. this time it's a digital protools/etc recording so they could edit his performances i guess. actually at least one of the edits is pretty ugly and audible, check out the cymbals at 4:42 in "the astral dialogue". yep i just ruined it for you, now you will not be able to unhear that

* the acoustic pieces are lovely, evocative and beautiful but they are musk ox, not agalloch. you know how i said that it's a bad sign when the best parts of a metal album are the non-metal bits? yeah...

* they were trying to switch it up by singing about space instead of oaken citadels and that's cool i guess. i also feel like there are conscious efforts to go into some less obvious chord progressions and twists and turns into the songs and i appreciate that. i guess they recognized that they had fallen into a bit of an "agalloch sounds like agalloch" rut. and their classic sound is very restrictive so i realize it must have been pretty tough to evolve within those parameters. it's not a bad direction they were trying to go in, i just think the execution is a bit uninspired.

* "birth and death of the pillars of creation" starts off so cool and makes you feel like you're really in for a ride but ends up basically nowhere after the big supposed climax. no idea what the lead guitar bits at the end are supposed to accomplish but i sure as shit ain't feeling it.

* "the astral dialogue" ain't bad for what it is, it at least has some drive and fire to it, but it's just mystifying why they would suddenly feel like sounding like IN THY DREAMS or [second rate melodeath band from 1996] was a good idea. honestly i feel like it's probably the best song on the album and it doesn't even really sound like agalloch.

* "dark matter gods" is not great.

* "celestial effigy" is cool. i do like the blend of classic agalloch stylings with some less expected twists. i mean if the rest of the album upheld this kind of quality...

* "vales beyond dimension" is not great.

* "plateau of the ages" is the worst thing they ever wrote, just blehhhh. feels 100% like some improvised filler they came up with in the studio to make the album longer.




FINAL CONCLUSION:
i almost feel bad for roasting these albums so hard but it's because i loved agalloch so much and feel strongly that they could have been so much better than how they ended up.

"serpent" is not as bad as i remember, but "marrow" is not as good as i remember.

i still think "marrow" wins but it's actually by much less than i thought it would be. it has really not aged gracefully. i appreciate the chance to reevaluate these albums. now to return them to their sleep in dark woods of time. will probably not touch them again for a long ass time.
 
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Listening to Marrow now. This is a bit boring, tbh. It's got no power. It sounds like a bunch of dudes going through the motions
 
Dark Matter Gods is a terrible song. If any other band had released this then I still would have hated it. That "verse" section with the thumping bass and weird guitar noodling in the L/R channels is unbearable. This is what happens when someone writes the bones of a song, and then the other guy comes in and just tries to figure out something to fill in the other side. It sounds like they didn't even LIKE the song while they were writing it. A lot of the material on this album feels like they said "yup, good enough. next" and simply never tried to enhance or revisit any section or riff.

I saw them live in 2014 and they followed DMG with "The Melancholy Spirit". This experience is what made me truly hate the song. I honestly can't see how any Agalloch fan could defend it. Totally lifeless and phoned in. It COMPLETELY kills the momentum that is created by the first three tracks. I've said this before; the first three songs had me feeling pretty good about the whole thing (aside from the fact that The Astral Dialogue sounds like Amon Amarth), but then the album just takes a total dive. It's saved for a few minutes by Celestial Effigy, and then you've got like 25 minutes of boring crap. Obviously this is just my opinion... you're still my friend if you find some enjoyment in the album. I will eternally love Agalloch but my opinion about this one will never change. If you wanted to hear where the band was going to take their sound after this then I'm not sure you "get it".
 
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ITT I throw the towel half way into "Plateau of the Ages". Sorry, I've been clinging to every thread of Agalloch magic I could find but there's just too little. I remember when the rave reviews for this started to rain thick and I was really feeling for those reviewers who knew they had to give it a 8/10 at least and justify the rating with an actual review.
 
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After listening to both last night, I can clearly say I enjoyed Sphere more. It might have been more of a case of Marrow being that bad.