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I heard In Flames was playing Stand Ablaze live at some point recently with the new lineup. Did anybody catch that? I can hardly believe it happened. That is one of my favourite songs. Must have been crazy to see it live. Especially if you were at the first show where they played it - that would have been a complete shock.
 
Even @DE4life , the oldest among us, may have considered hobbling with his cane over to the local venue to watch them perform this. If not, he would have at least loaded it up on youtube, and sat on his rocking chair, smoking his pipe, subtly nodding his head in appreciation.
 
If they were touring with Stand Ablaze as a regular feature on the setlist along with a few other golden oldies I;'d definitely consider putting some of my pension credits towards a ticket. Last time I saw them was 2019, and the oldest song they played was Colony. They still put on a good show, but it would have been nice to hear something from TJR or Whoracle.
 
I saw them last year and they sounded better than I've ever heard them, by a long shot. Their guitarist is just at another level than any of their previous musicians. I can only imagine how unreal Stand Ablaze would have been with this group. Too bad they didn't play it at this show.. they did play tracks from older albums at least. Mostly the 'predictable' songs from each album, but it was better than nothing.
 
Agreed, when I saw them in 2019 they were very tight as well. As much as we tend to shit on Anders, his growls that night were the best I had heard from him live (although it had been 9 years since I'd last seen them at that point). Previously his screams had gotten progressively worse as the set progressed, whereas this time he was consistent throughout. Cleans were still shit, but he can't sing so I doubt that will ever change.
 
He must have received some vocal coaching. It's such a dramatic difference.

One of the first times I saw In Flames was with Nevermore in Toronto in like late 2000. I remember a few things about that one. First, my buddy and I were the first ones in line.. waiting there hours before the show. Bjorn and the bass player (wasn't Peter, it was a fill-in dude) came out the door and went to their bus that was parked out front and they said hello to us.
The opening band was some local-ish band call Burn It Down. While they were playing, Bjorn was in the audience (not a big place and not a lot of people there at that time), watching the show by himself, having a beer and enjoying it, sorta headbanging and whatnot. Then he goes and buys a Burn it Down t-shirt, and wears it during the IF performance. I thought he was just the coolest guy in the world, doing these things.

Nevermore played before In Flames. Those guys played such a tight show. I'm pretty sure Chris Broderick was one of the guitarists, playing with Loomis. The crowd was into it, but then when IF came on, the crowd was twice as amped. I was standing on a chair in the back of the room with a perfect view of everything. There was a guy with a video camera also standing on a chair right beside me. I could see the Nevermore guys were all sitting 'backstage' watching In Flames. It looked to me like they were like wondering why the hell everyone was going so crazy for this band when the vocalist sounds like he's dying up there and their musicianship was pretty weak. Obviously speculation, but it felt like judgmental staring to me.
Anders was just painful to see in those days. I was like, shit.. somebody give this guy some lozenges or something. Just watching this is hurting my throat.
 
He 100% changed his harsh vocal technique in the past few years. He basically had no technique until around 2018/2019, when all of a sudden he started doing the more guttural growls that come from the diaphragm rather than the throat. No idea whether he self-taught or had someone teach him, but no question it was a conscious decision. It's honestly amazing that he didn't seriously fuck his throat up before then - must be very lucky with genetics. Stanne's throat began failing around 2002, which is why his vocals are noticeably different from Character onwards. Even though I love Damage Done as an album, you can hear he's struggling vocally on there, and his live performances from that time are brutal - in a bad way. Speed changed his technique from Natural Born Chaos onwards as well, to a more controlled style.

No idea how Anders kept going for so long without adopting a technique. There's a 2002 show from Seoul which is just awful to listen to. He sounds like he's in pain and even clutching his throat area at points. It's uncomfortable to watch - and a shame because it's a very nice setlist otherwise. It's noticeable in the bootlegs from the 2002/2003 period that Anders is having problems. I have one from London 2002 where he's literally just yelling, presumably because he couldn't growl or scream at all. Sounds like shit. He had some weird renaissance with his throat where he was suddenly pretty consistent again live between 2004 - 2007ish, then back to sounding mostly like crap until the past few years.

I don't know if you've ever seen the ASOP studio sessions, but boy, that's an eye-opener from a vocal perspective. You hear Anders recording his lines and it's laughable. No technique, just this shitty yelling which literally anyone could do. Even the production and mixing couldn't mask it, as frankly his harsh vocals sound horrible on the album as well. SOAPF sounds better (to my ears, anyway) but I think whoever produced the vocals on that album just worked some serious magic blending his voice with the instruments, as when you separate the vocal and instrument stems you can hear there's little difference between ASOP and SOAPF in terms of Anders' actual technique.

I didn't get to see an IF show for the first time until 2005, so I missed out on those earlier pre-Reroute/STYE shows. Jealous you got to see Nevermore though - great band who I unfortunately never got to see live. I think at that point in time people were likely going crazy for the incredible guitar-work and melodies in IF songs rather than anything Anders was doing. In Flames' fusion of death metal and Iron Maiden was very unique at the time, whilst being quite widely accessible (vocals aside). I know when I first started listening to In Flames it was the melodies that hooked me - I didn't even like the vocals at first, I just adapted to them over time.
 
Funny, on Damage Done, I find the vocals to be one of the most interesting elements. I don't know how to best describe the shout/howl he's doing on that album, but I like it. I think howl is a good word. It has a tone and almost a "desperation" quality to it that makes it completely unique. I wonder if that is the reason for the damage, or if that was the workaround because of the damage.

I didn't watch those ASOP sessions.. but I certainly believe it.

I saw Nevermore a second time a few years later. It was a powerhouse lineup: Hypocrisy, Nevermore, Children of Bodom, and Dimmu Borgir. The latter two were really popular at the time. I remember being in the pit for COB and it was so packed, I was basically completely unable to move, with the motion of the crowd just moving as one giant wave. Pretty sure the venue significantly exceeded capacity.
 
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Damage Done has unique vocals - nothing that Stanne has done before or since. It's a bit like Clayman, where you can hear Anders' voice is really strained, but it just works for the music and the general vibe of the album. My assumption has always been that Stanne's voice was beginning to deteriorate by this point which was the reason his vocals sound different on that album, as opposed to it being a conscious choice to change, but who knows. It'd be an interesting question for someone to ask him in an interview. I don't think there are any cleans on DD either.

I'd recommend the ASOP studio diaries videos - they're actually pretty fun to watch. Although I'm not sure if they're easy to find online these days.

I can remember Bodom getting big over here in the early 2000s, around the time Hate Crew Deathroll released. At that point in time a lot of the Swedish/Finnish MDM bands were gaining some traction in the metal community - In Flames, DT, Soilwork, CoB, Arch Enemy, etc - at around the same time the metalcore bands that were influenced by them were also rising in popularity. KSE, Shadows Fall, Trivium, A7X and so on. It's a shame At The Gates had disbanded by that point, as I imagine they would have been amongst that wave of popularity. Their reunion has generally been pretty successful though. Lindberg is m,aybe the only other prominent MDM vocalist aside from Anders who didn't change technique, but I don't feel like it's done him any favours. I struggle to listen to his vocals on new material.
 
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I would say they were gaining traction outside of the metal community at that point, and cross pollinating with these other scenes (hardcore, emo, alternative, etc) Most of the time when you'd go to see one of those bands you mentioned, they'd be opened by some metalcore/hardcode band.
I mentioned how Bjorn was digging Burn it Down in the gig in 2000.. I don't think he was just watching them to be nice. He seemed to be sincerely enjoying it. And all this exposure to these American scenes definitely influenced them for the worse. You could immediately see elements of this stuff pop up in Reroute to Remain. It was the beginning of the end.

Let's talk about nicer things, like Stand Ablaze! That song is fucking sweet! What good fortune that this song happened to be written when Lindberg was in the band, as opposed to Stanne or Anders. I feel like it wouldn't have been as good at that time with those guys. Lindberg was perfect for it. I get the sense that Jesper doesn't really write music with vocals in mind too much.. so this would have been coincidental, not deliberately written in such a way to suit Lindberg's style. But the stars aligned!
 
I’m a bit late on this, but I actually did get to see them live in October of 2022, where Stand Ablaze was the fourth song they played if you count the acoustic opener (I’m assuming that was The Beginning Of All Things now, but that wasn’t released then, so my note just says Acoustic Opener). It was really good, and I was seriously hyped for it, but it didn’t get too much reaction from the crowd. You could downright hear individual voices to know who had dug that far back into their discography and who hadn’t— And I was one of the few who had. Behind Space was right after that too, so it was pretty cool to have a bunch of old and classic era songs from Lunar Strain to Clayman. Bit of a shame that it was Graveland and not December Flower though, probably would’ve been one of their greatest sets to me if they had since Chris was able to do the solo around that time.

Interestingly, setlist.fm lists The End as having been performed then— Alias was actually played in that spot, not The End, I would’ve fucked hated if they did play The End.
 
The End was one of the only songs I liked when Battles came out (or, rather, I liked the single when it came out). I think it was just cope on my part though, as I never listen to it nowadays and it sounded really poor when I heard it live.

I remarked when someone posted the Stand Ablaze performance from Borgholm Brinner that the crowd didn't seem to have a clue what was going on. If that kind of audience is largely confused, then you're in trouble. It's the band's fault for ignoring such a great track for over two decades though. You can't expect to randomly play a song from an obscure EP - that Anders and Bjorn weren't even a part of - and expect anyone to know what it is. It's cool that they played it, but there was no chance it was going to get a reaction from more than a handful of people. The majority of fans that would have known that track were run off by the band years ago when they gave the middle finger to everyone who followed them for MDM rather than alt metal.

It's cool that you got to see it though. I don't think it lasted on the setlists for very long.
 
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The End was one of the only songs I liked when Battles came out (or, rather, I liked the single when it came out). I think it was just cope on my part though, as I never listen to it nowadays and it sounded really poor when I heard it live.

I’ve always hated The End— And that was even back when I had just gotten into the band with The Truth. The verses were fine to me then (They're not now), but the children’s choir bullshit was too egregious for me, and people back then acted like The End was Clayman 2, which… No.

I remarked when someone posted the Stand Ablaze performance from Borgholm Brinner that the crowd didn't seem to have a clue what was going on. If that kind of audience is largely confused, then you're in trouble. It's the band's fault for ignoring such a great track for over two decades though. You can't expect to randomly play a song from an obscure EP - that Anders and Bjorn weren't even a part of - and expect anyone to know what it is. It's cool that they played it, but there was no chance it was going to get a reaction from more than a handful of people. The majority of fans that would have known that track were run off by the band years ago when they gave the middle finger to everyone who followed them for MDM rather than alt metal.

Can’t help but agree there. The only other Subterranean track that many people who go to concerts would know is Dead Eternity… From The Jester Race, which I’ll come out and say as what’s likely an unpopular opinion, is inferior to the Subterranean version. Subterranean overall is a really cool EP, so it’s disappointing to see them shaft it for as long as they did, with the effects that that had.

It's cool that you got to see it though. I don't think it lasted on the setlists for very long.

I think it lasted at least a month or two, but it definitely lasted longer than December Flower. Even bigger shame there when you realize that it was replaced by Graveland, whereas Stand Ablaze would get… Something else, I don’t know.
 
I have to feel like their reason for bringing these songs back is a) because Chris is capable of playing them well and b) because Chris pushed for them to be played. I highly doubt it was somebody other than him who really wanted to bring them back. Like you said, the other guys weren't even in the band when they were made. Maybe they also thought, since their latest album is their pseudo-attempt at recording more aggressive music again, that these types of tracks would fit in a little bit better than when they were releasing Battles and Siren Charms which barely even crossed the metal threshold.
 
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I think when The End came out I was just happy it was different to the stuff from Siren Charms. It sounded more like a SOAPF song - not as good, but in that kind of direction. More upbeat, more melodic. It didn't stand the test of time and yeah, the children's choir inclusion is annoying, but the song did briefly give me hope that maybe Battles would be a return to a better sound. Obviously that was false hope, and ultimately just me perceiving The End as a lot better than it really was.

You know, I can understand the band not playing much from Lunar or Sub. I get it. They were essentially demos, and from 1998 onwards Jesper was the only member of the band with a connection to either. I can totally understand them not playing those songs, even though Stand Ablaze is a killer track and should have been rerecorded along with BS and CiS during the Colony sessions. What's galling is for them to play Stand Ablaze only after Jesper left, when precisely zero members of the band have any connection to it at all. It's practically a cover since none of the musicians on stage had anything to do with the composition. At least when they played it in the 90s you could say Jesper wrote it.

Maybe it was Chris pushing for it, but I've always been suspicious of the timing. Playing that and December Flower just after THE started grabbing headlines - and then promptly dropping the songs soon after, never to be heard from again. Also quite odd that they released a supposedly 'throwback' album in Foregone and then proceeded to barely play any of the songs from that album on the Foregone tour. Compare the amount of new songs played on previous album tours to Foregone and you can't help but think that Foregone was less a labour of love and more a calculated effort to deceive people into thinking the band give a shit about MDM as a genre. But hey, maybe I'm just old and jaded.
 
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I think it was Tanner who pushed for Stand Ablaze to be brought back if I remember correctly, so something like that would check out.

And pseudo-aggressive really is the perfect descriptor for Foregone, along with pseudo-melodeath, or even pseudo-good.
 
I did wonder the same thing when I saw them - why so little from the new album. I was extremely goddamn thankful. But it didn't really make a lot of sense to me when I thought about after.

I agree that it's almost like a cover band playing this stuff. But honestly, I don't give a fuck. If they had played all old songs, I would have been on cloud nine. If there is a cover band out there with great musicians who plays this stuff, sign me up. I went to the In Flames show with basically that mindset. Enjoy the stuff I know, and don't think too much about it. Just enjoy the music. If they had played Stand Ablaze or December Flower I would have just been in paradise, getting to hear somebody playing my favourite tracks, right in front of me.
 
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I think it was Tanner who pushed for Stand Ablaze to be brought back if I remember correctly, so something like that would check out.

And pseudo-aggressive really is the perfect descriptor for Foregone, along with pseudo-melodeath, or even pseudo-good.

That's good to hear. At least he's got some influence and there are a few members in the band with good taste. If everybody can convince Anders to be a metal vocalist on the next album, and stop with the nonsense, we might be in pretty good shape.
 
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If we can get Howard Benson out and someone like Roberto Laghi (SOAPF’s producer) in, we’ll be on our way with that. Wouldn’t fix the guitarwork as of recent, but it’s okay, Chris’ll lay down some immaculate solos.
 
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I did wonder the same thing when I saw them - why so little from the new album. I was extremely goddamn thankful. But it didn't really make a lot of sense to me when I thought about after.

I agree that it's almost like a cover band playing this stuff. But honestly, I don't give a fuck. If they had played all old songs, I would have been on cloud nine. If there is a cover band out there with great musicians who plays this stuff, sign me up. I went to the In Flames show with basically that mindset. Enjoy the stuff I know, and don't think too much about it. Just enjoy the music. If they had played Stand Ablaze or December Flower I would have just been in paradise, getting to hear somebody playing my favourite tracks, right in front of me.

December Flower I can understand, as Anders and Bjorn were both directly involved with TJR. Even with Behind Space and Clad in Shadows, you can say they were rerecorded on Colony, so there's a link there. Stand Ablaze is just such a weird choice - not a bad one, but strange. They could have picked one of the rarely or never played songs from TJR (Dead Eternity or Lord Hypnos, for example), but instead went for a song that they had no connection with beyond the song coming out under the name 'In Flames' and them performing it occasionally in the late 90s and Tanner apparently being a fan. It's a great track and I agree that hearing it live, played by good musicians, would be awesome no matter what. It just never made much sense to me why they picked that song specifically. You would have thought Anders and Bjorn would have preferred to pick a track they had some involvement in, rather than covering one of Jesper's songs - coincidentally(?) just after he'd made waves with THE.

Ah well, the last setlists are back to the usual trash anyway (FFTG aside), so whatever. With that said...

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