starting a recording service

ashgallows

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Have any of you done this on your own. I realize the fact that one needs a laptop, an interface, enough mics to mic up a full band and rent a place to do it in.

i have a dig002 rack and some experience. any tips?
 
freelance engineer seeing as the working ym way up the studio ladder doesn't look like it's going to happen. Right now i have a desktop pc, my best mic is a audio technica at 3035 and i can't like put a drum set up in here....so yea...kinda limited at the moment.
 
what would be extremely kickass is if some ppl around here wanted to try and set something up to where we all could collaborate and pull together our resources and make it happen, but it's not something I count on happening.
 
a lot of people here have studios or "recording services." from the amateur level, to the semi-professional level, to the totally professional level (legendary producers and engineers) and everywhere in between.


i'm not sure what you mean by collaborating. we all in a way collaborate anyway and everyone here top to bottom is very very helpful. there are tons and tons and tons of tips for every aspect of production and recording and engineeering and mixing etc...

people always post mixes, ask people to mix, ask to reamp, post problems, gear questions, etc. i'm sure if you spend some time browsing through all the folders and sections of this forum you will be very grateful. also don't forget to use the "search" function for spefic things such as gear or tricks or albums or whatever.
 
freelance engineer seeing as the working ym way up the studio ladder doesn't look like it's going to happen. Right now i have a desktop pc, my best mic is a audio technica at 3035 and i can't like put a drum set up in here....so yea...kinda limited at the moment.

imo, you can do 1 of 2 things: buy more gear for your setup and record using that, or start to get in with local studios so you can track/mix there. the only hurdle with the latter is you should probably know analog/digital signal flow really well (which you might already) and it might take some time to get some ins with some studio owners.
 
yea the problem with that is if i had ins with the studio managers etc. i would just work my way up in their facility and do it that way, but as of right now nothing.
By collaborate I mean maybe a couple ppl in or around Los Angeles could pull their resources and make something happen for all of us.

I was taught signal flow of SSL and Amek consoles, but honestly it's been so long without touching one I would have to relearn what everything was labelled in their specific setup. I still know signal flow pretty well for digital setups seeing as thats what I'm running at this point.
 
well for a personal recording service especially an up-and-coming one an SSL board is kind of far off... there are plenty of semi-professional recording studios with just a DAW as the centerpiece and the usual array of studio mics. 57's 421s etc...



as long as you have as couple of hundred sq ft you can make something happen. then grow as you go. thats what im doing. i started out in my bedroom with a lexicon omega and a marshall practice amp and a $200 ibanez and two years later i have a 300 sq ft studio with two firepods, like 4 amps, 5 guitars wtc... so you get the point. i wish i won the lotto and could buy an SSL AWS board but one step at a time. looks like you are on the earlier steps. but like the said the beauty of this board is that everyone is so damn helpful and i think you could take advantage. there are even threads of people who show their studios being build step by step via pictures and descriptions. this is literally a goldmine of data for people like us.
 
well for a personal recording service especially an up-and-coming one an SSL board is kind of far off... there are plenty of semi-professional recording studios with just a DAW as the centerpiece and the usual array of studio mics. 57's 421s etc...



as long as you have as couple of hundred sq ft you can make something happen. then grow as you go. thats what im doing. i started out in my bedroom with a lexicon omega and a marshall practice amp and a $200 ibanez and two years later i have a 300 sq ft studio with two firepods, like 4 amps, 5 guitars wtc... so you get the point. i wish i won the lotto and could buy an SSL AWS board but one step at a time. looks like you are on the earlier steps. but like the said the beauty of this board is that everyone is so damn helpful and i think you could take advantage. there are even threads of people who show their studios being build step by step via pictures and descriptions. this is literally a goldmine of data for people like us.


+1 on everything
 
definitely, you guys have been very helpful. I honestly believe the analog boards are more trouble than they are worth sometimes. I know that tape machines are a lot of trouble too, but the best results i've seen is someone getting a studer and recording to it and dumping into pro tools hd.

I guess at thsi point I ask have any of you perhaps rented a practice space to record? I have heard of this, but it sounds like it wouldn't be very good enviroment for it. I def need some more mics. Also My other question is are any of you around LA and are any of you interested in starting something up around here?
 
good luck starting out in LA...i realize there's a lot of fucking people, and a lot of fucking bands, but competition is FIERCE! not only is the market flooded with up-and-comers, but with all the large studio closings, there's a lot of experienced engineers/producers who are now working out of either their homes, or smaller facilities.

on top of that, i wouldn't randomly try to go into business over the 'net with people, and especially not with people in LA...there's a lot of cutthroat fucks who will do everything they can to rip you off to get theirs. i'm not saying that applies to anyone posting here, but you never know.

i would suggest finding a few bands around to do demos for. out of every decent band, there'll always be at least one guy who's interested in the technical aspects of engineering and producing - single these people out, maybe have them help you out with a couple of sessions, see if they're hard-working and honest, and build a business relationship from there.

there's also quite a few schools in the LA area that offer recording classes...everything from 1-year deals like the LARW to CSU dominguez hills and northridge, along with some community colleges. there's a school in glendale called orange community college or something to that effect that has an SSL board and offers an associate's in Rec. Arts. even if you're not interested in getting any type of degree/education in this realm, taking a class somewhere could put you in touch with a lot of people with similar goals and interests. there's a couple of people in the class i'm taking now who i would consider starting either a studio or a band with, but i'm packing my shit up and moving in a couple months, so i'm not going to waste my time or theirs with such endeavors.
 
I hear what you are saying. I have already gone through a recording arts program at Full Sail...funny how it's recording arts yet....we only recorded one band, one song, on our next to last month...anyways. I have had good luck with the internet and forums and the like. My current roommate was found through this means, turned out to be a phd in physics lol.

people aren't always honest esp out here. but as large companies go down, small ones come up. I guess at this point I just need some better mics, a little more experience actually micing a band and a laptop...and a place...which seems to be the biggest hurdle...where do i find a place...
 
where do i find a place...

I'm thinking the same thing... the only solution would be to rent out a rehearsal space (monthly preferred), the largest one you can find, and just start treating it acoustically...

A friend of mine has been doing that for about a year now... the recordings sound pretty good, definitely on par with larger facilities... though, he does have some nice outboard gear and mics... so...

But, yeah, out here in LA... the studio scene sucks... every jackoff thinks they can record their band with one or two mics and, really, most of them are happy with it... it sucks.
 
yea i know, there are schools pumping em out every month. The way i see it, what would kick ass would be to get 2-3 guys and pull together our resources. start something small, and build it up until we have a nice permanent place with nice equipment...basically a fully functioning studio. It jsut seems a better idea to me than everyone trying to hack it on their own and always having to try and scrape together what they need.
 
i would say do your thing and if it was meant to be the right people will come along. i also live in a big city, new york, and you can find rehearsal space. i was lucky enough to find a pre treated room with wood floors and plenty of auralex and a vocal booth. but i mean the whole building has rooms that you cna goto town on with custom stuff. the rent is reasonable it's $600 a month and 24/7 access which works great around everythign else in my life.



i would also recomend doing like one or two bands for free just to have some semblance of a resume before you can charge. you can get a decent array of moderatley priced mics. i would say get soem sm57s off craigs list get a pair of like rode nt5s or something for overheads and stuff and a couple of drum mics and maybe a decent condenser for vocals. create a budger for yourself and do your homework.


you should have no trouble finding bands to record out there. use the internet as a resource. craigs list myspace all will probably help you. make a nice big advertisement like "FREE DEMO RECORDING + MIXING" something along those lines. even if you get some idiotic sloppy band its a good start.
 
i started out in my bedroom with a lexicon omega and a marshall practice amp and a $200 ibanez and two years later i have a 300 sq ft studio with two firepods, like 4 amps, 5 guitars wtc... so you get the point.

Wow, that seems like a success story, congrats! You got any pics of yer studio?

Nevertheless you pay like $ 600 / month iirc which is kinda lot for constant costs if your just starting out and don't have a busy schedule..
 
and a place...which seems to be the biggest hurdle...where do i find a place...

Why not actually record in the Bands rehearsal place? Guitars shouldn't be to much of an issue and Drums can be sampled using Drumagog. That should do it for Demos and stuff until you've saved up some money.
 
yea the main problem is drums. i dont have the mics for em and I don't have drumagog. also I'm not so sure a lot of metal bands wouldn't really hate the use of samples for their recordings. I use em, love em. I think i just need to go to ucla sign up for some of their experiements and buy the shit i need fromt eh proceeds :)
 
not a bad idea, but it seems like mixing gigs are the toughest to get...with the availability of cheap DAW's and free VST's, everybody and their uncle thinks they know how to mix a record nowadays


OTOH, there's absolutely no replacing a good tracking engineer, especially for shit like drums