The Devil Wears Prada sells 30,000 units first week(#11 on billboard top 200).

[colonel kurtz]

Maybe there are some singers that can do it but I haven't met one.

...and most of us won't, unless we're recording the best singers in the world

think about how many thousands upon thousands of albums were released before autotune...and think of how many of those albums had amazing vocals and harmonies

it's totally possible to do it without the use of autotune, but it will also take you 50 times longer, and would require some of the best vocal talent in the world to pull it off

 

[RemoWilliams]

I remember watching a making of video of Steely Dan's "Aja" album, and Michael McDonald saying that Fagan and Becker wanted him to do some harmonies very close together, almost like a triad in a way. It sounded pretty cool. Of course, he's Michael McDonald.

Albums before autotune were just as great. I like the slightly off vibe of the vocals and harmonies. Give's it a bit more life.
But every device has its place.

 

[TheDude]

Albums before autotune were just as great. I like the slightly off vibe of the vocals and harmonies. Give's it a bit more life.
But every device has its place.

Smart people don't autotune all backing tracks/doubles, only some/one to get that natural feeling.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

I don't use Autotune because I can't afford it.

 

[egan.]

Not my deal but the production is cool and the sales are a huge accomplishment for any band. Congrats Joey. Seriously, take points.

 

[Metaltastic]

I'm sorry, is there actually some "producer points" system, or is this just everyone's way of saying you should brag endlessly about this? (cuz you should of course, I'm just curious )

 

[Sinister Mephisto]

Points as in royalties. However, Joey should claim bragging points regardless.

 

[Metaltastic]

Well wouldn't he automatically get royalties (never heard them called "points" before), or are you implying it's something he'd have to fight for?

 

[egan.]

Well wouldn't he automatically get royalties (never heard them called "points" before), or are you implying it's something he'd have to fight for?

Nothing automatic. He would have needed to negotiate for them (and for all I know he did). Some people hate the points system b/c in lots of cases the record label would recoup its money, then pay the producer his percentage on everything earned and the artist would get paid last. There is no reason you can't do it more fairly though.
Honestly given the low rates everyone is charging now, points seem like a good/fair way to make more money when money is actually being made.

 

[joeymusicguy]

The overtly autotuned clean vocals kill my enjoyment of the cd. If you can't sing well enough and have use that much autotune, then don't do it. Uggh.

do you guys listen to modern productions or just 90's music?

it doesnt sound auto tuned! and thats not an opinion
thats how the singing part is written
no bend, no flare, no vibrato, just straight notes

i took great care in not removing the rise and fall of notes

so once and for all, its not auto tuney

 

[joeymusicguy]

lol @ people who talk shit about autotune when it's on 90% of any records they have heard in the past 10 years.

When you are doubling something it is basically necessary to tune them a bit to get them tight, not to mention adding a harmony and doubling that? plus a low octave and whatever other layers you want to put down? You can be the best singer ever but when you are working with that many layers all the little differences build up quick and make it sound like ass.

Maybe there are some singers that can do it but I haven't met one.

this reply is not directed towards anyone in particular, just a general statement:

the guy that pitch corrected the big nsync albums says the same thing
he is considered a veteran industry professional and his permanent public opinion is that layered vocals MUST have tuning to be correctly intonated with the recording or even in the case of acapella

unless there's another planet where record making takes place, this is the standard we live in. you also have the choice to completely ignore everything around you and be completely ignorant at what you do.

 

[joeymusicguy]

Nothing automatic. He would have needed to negotiate for them (and for all I know he did). Some people hate the points system b/c in lots of cases the record label would recoup its money, then pay the producer his percentage on everything earned and the artist would get paid last. There is no reason you can't do it more fairly though.
Honestly given the low rates everyone is charging now, points seem like a good/fair way to make more money when money is actually being made.

it doesnt really work like this
at least not at the level i am currently at

asking for points usually means the band walks to another producer who isnt asking for points

the managers that handle these deals do this because they get paid via points, just like the band. they do this to protect themselves, and the band. a lot of times label are willing, but its a conflict of interest if the client isn't interested.

basically asking for points will just push you further down the list of producers they're looking to work with.

 

[James Murphy]

joey, it's not worth your effort... some people will always find fault, it's like a mission they're on. anyway, it's just their opinion... and you know what the say about opinions!

speaking of opinions, did you see the Decibel review of the CD? man, they tore it up... gave it a "2" i think. But the joke's on them though it seems. i did think it was funny though when the reviewer, while bashing on the band's name, asked... "what, was 'The Sisterhood Of The Traveling Pants' taken??", lol hopefully the guys have a sense of humor.

anyway, guess i'm gonna have to pick this one up,



ps, i did pick up the Oceana as per your suggestion, but haven't really had chance to listen yet.

 

[Lasse Lammert]

yeah, don't sweat it....
some people make a living off this and some don't.
those who don't don't have to worry about most of the things the other type has to consider....if this CD wouldn't have sold 35k people wouldn't be able to complain about anything (because they wouldn't even have heard about it).

so the more people complain, the more it is a sign that your work made an impact.....

 

[462studio]

speaking of opinions, did you see the Decibel review of the CD? man, they tore it up... gave it a "2" i think. .

I just read this last night and was laughing quite a bit. The review is quite funny I must say, they bash the shit out of the songs/band, but mention that the production of the album is quite slick!

I haven't really familiarized myself with the band or their music, but really congrats to you Joey.

 

[ADRSean]

I love this album. So god damn much it's not even funny. I'm a huge fan of you Joey's work, let alone TDWPs in general. So congrats! And I love his vocals the way they are. Listen to him live he's great.

 

[egan.]

it doesnt really work like this
at least not at the level i am currently at

asking for points usually means the band walks to another producer who isnt asking for points

the managers that handle these deals do this because they get paid via points, just like the band. they do this to protect themselves, and the band. a lot of times label are willing, but its a conflict of interest if the client isn't interested.

basically asking for points will just push you further down the list of producers they're looking to work with.

I hear you....then again I think you may have just graduated to "that level." I've certainly been asked for points by half of the guys I've talked to or worked with.
Anyway, regardless of the biz, good work and congrats.

 

[Erik Monsonis]

TBH this album's production is the best I've ever heard. I'm absolutely in love with everything.

 

[Sean in Silence]

Yeah T-Pain doesn't use autotune for effect either.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
I kinda missed this post
but I HAD to respond to it!
hahahaha
funny line of the day(well my day at least)
haha

 

[joeymusicguy]

joey, it's not worth your effort... some people will always find fault, it's like a mission they're on. anyway, it's just their opinion... and you know what the say about opinions!

speaking of opinions, did you see the Decibel review of the CD? man, they tore it up... gave it a "2" i think. But the joke's on them though it seems. i did think it was funny though when the reviewer, while bashing on the band's name, asked... "what, was 'The Sisterhood Of The Traveling Pants' taken??", lol hopefully the guys have a sense of humor.

anyway, guess i'm gonna have to pick this one up,



ps, i did pick up the Oceana as per your suggestion, but haven't really had chance to listen yet.

i hope you bought oceano and not oceana

oceana is really terrible