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IOfTheStorm
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it RULES.
Load - RULES
I have made a thread about it, calling it most underrated album of the 90s
Load - RULES
I have made a thread about it, calling it most underrated album of the 90s
MajestikMøøse
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IOfTheStorm
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Dun da DUN DUUUUUNNicodemiX said:
Dun da DUN DUUUUUN
TEAR
DOWN
THE WALL
TEAR
DOWN
THE WALL
I'm reachin' I know
spaffe
Geisterglut
The higher you walk the further you fall, the longer the walk the nahnananha nana nah-nah!
Yes, a really good song. Too bad I'm not at home or I would give that CD a spin
Yes, a really good song. Too bad I'm not at home or I would give that CD a spin
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
I think some CDs are judged (rightly or wrongly) based on who released them, rather than on the quality of the content. Had the "Load" been a debut CD, it would have been far better received, than it was as the 6th CD in a Thrash legend's catalogue. There are some cool songs on "Load". In general, I have a hard time enjoying Metallica's music nowadays.
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lizard
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so is so much of the raw, naked hatred for metallica nowadays based on the fact that fans feel betrayed by a band which didn't want to stagnate, and so attempted to evolve?
if a band doesn't want to change, doesn't it become a tired, worn-out whore like Priest, flogging the same album over and over?
if a band doesn't want to change, doesn't it become a tired, worn-out whore like Priest, flogging the same album over and over?
J.
Old Fart
This debate is old, but it's always an interesting one. One of the points I always try to make is this: 90% of the time, when people talk about a band "evolving", it is usually in reference to a band that got softer, and even more mainstream sounding.lizard said:
Why can't bands get harder or more brutal as time goes on? Why do they turn into wimps?
No. Look at Amon AMarth or Bolt Thrower. No ones complaining about those two bands.
Besides, the way I see it: a)if a band changes, they are sell outs b) if a band doesn't change, they are stagnating. So where is the line drawn?
I've said it before: I'll take a band that releases solid album after solid album than some band trying to different for different's sake or bands that feel they need to evolve and get more girlish.
Papa Josh
Minister of Propaganda
No doubt, I'll take the tired ol' used whore anyday (in reference to the Priest). I could give a shit if Metallica evolved (which I don't think they did), the music isn't what killed it near as much as those fucking pictures of them trying to be U2 or Depeche Mode...J. said:
This is a ancient argument but, I dont see any evlolution musically--just a style change. They got pretty goddamn sloppy on load musically, especially Lars. In addition, the music is far simpler. The only thing I can somewhat agree with, is load had a decent amount of emotion.
Slayer got harder (Divine Intervention) and were crucified. Then when they got softer (Diabolus in Musica), again crucified. Then when the got insane (God Hates Us All), and you guessed it! Crucified.J. said:
Metal fans are the most vehemently fickle fans in the world, once a band crosses their own little mystical threshold set up by each individual, there is no turning back. Metallica and Slayer could release Kill 'em All II and Reign in Blood Some More and those stuck on the phrase "sell out" wouldn't care. Just no pleasing some people.
J.
Old Fart
Well, Divine Intervention sucks compared to what came before it, so that may have something to do with it.
At the Gates got harder with SotS, methinks. It's at least harder than Terminal Spirit Disease, and it's hailed as a classic.
But the number of bands that get softer with age is a helluva lot more than bands that get more brutal.
Aeternus got more brutal, and no one called them sellouts, however in their case, their early music is just straight up mastrpieces that no one wanted them to change.
Then you have bands like In Flames......
At the Gates got harder with SotS, methinks. It's at least harder than Terminal Spirit Disease, and it's hailed as a classic.
But the number of bands that get softer with age is a helluva lot more than bands that get more brutal.
Aeternus got more brutal, and no one called them sellouts, however in their case, their early music is just straight up mastrpieces that no one wanted them to change.
Then you have bands like In Flames......
Divine Intervention is AMAZING, whoa man I can't believe how good that album is. Although now I think Seasons is their best, for many years Divine was my pick.
Concerning bands that don't change or evolve, only one AC/DC is necessary. I don't really care for bands that put out the same shit year after year.
Concerning bands that don't change or evolve, only one AC/DC is necessary. I don't really care for bands that put out the same shit year after year.
J.
Old Fart
Kyuss didn't change at all, except between Wretch and Blues for the Red Sun, and even that change was minimal. 
I know what you're saying though. I'd just prefer a solid album year after year than some crappy experiment that goes beyond the band's abilities.
I know what you're saying though. I'd just prefer a solid album year after year than some crappy experiment that goes beyond the band's abilities.
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
Load fucking rocks.
Agreed on the "Metal are the most fickle fans" comment.
Last week everyones fellating Velvet Cacoon. This week they are being bashed. (In reference to the GMD Thread)
Agreed on the "Metal are the most fickle fans" comment.
Last week everyones fellating Velvet Cacoon. This week they are being bashed. (In reference to the GMD Thread)
Hey I'd say Kyuss changed a bit between albums, Blues, Sky Valley, and Circus didn't so much change riffs and attitude, but the songwriting is very different across the three.
Like so many things it really depends on the band. Faith No More took a huge chance with Angel Dust and it paid off immensely, other groups are not always so fortunate.
Like so many things it really depends on the band. Faith No More took a huge chance with Angel Dust and it paid off immensely, other groups are not always so fortunate.
lizard
Member
J. said:
SotS gives the impression of being heavy, due the straight-forward composition of the songs and perhaps because of the smooth production. The riffs in themselves aren't any heavier. Although I guess "heaviness" is subjective.
EDIT: And I have no problems with the Loads. The only Metallica albums that never really got to me is the Black album and St. Anger. Everything else is top-notch to these ears.
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