The Labor Party; Another reason they are fucked

Yeah I almost dipped to buying some weird fucking stupid lettuce that looked like shit...but figured I'd just do without.

Went back today. $4.45 for a Lettuce at Coles. And not a nice lettuce...a shitty small lettuce.
 
Dän;6404828 said:
The fucken firms will pay knob shine, the more you use the more you pay, the market determines the fucken price arse knob
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and THEN what happens ?

the public buy the goods that now have the price of carbon included. A cost that was not there before carbon trading.

And the price goes up.

What's there not to get ?
 
But I don't have a massive framed picture of Kevin Rudd haha

I actually like Beazley better anyway. Not really out of any political bias, I just think he's a champ haha.

I don't base my voting on that train of thought though :)
 
Shannow said:
and THEN what happens ?

the public buy the goods that now have the price of carbon included. A cost that was not there before carbon trading.

And the price goes up.

What's there not to get ?
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No, The firms who value polution higher will pay more for it, in most cases, becauses it will be an added cost to producers they will need to become more savvy with their production to reduce polution so their costs dont increase. Hence, prices of some goods will go down, the enivronment will be better off because people have genuine incentive to cut down on emmissions - the market wins fucker.
 
Dan,
look at the transport industry. It's all carbon...they cannot become more efficient, they will buy carbon, and it will add to their operating costs.

It's the transport industry that transport the "standard basket of goods" around the country.

They use fossil fuels almost exclusively, so the price of the standard basket of goods must go up.

Where I work, we burn 22,000 tonnes of coal (lets say 15,000 tonnes of carbon) to produce electricity.

When we have to buy carbon credits, it will directly impact the cost of generation, and electricity will go up. There is no way to get around this, electricity will go up.

No two ways about it.

BTW, why is this scheme so destructive
http://www.environment.gov.au/minister/env/2005/mr13feb05.html

While Howard's carbon trading scheme is so benign and beneficial ?
 
Dän;6402636 said:
Nah you miss interpreted it.

He did propse to momitor their mark ups. But also wants increase the price of energy, which in turn increases the price of production, so firms will increase their mark ups to maintain profits (which is fair) and pass the cost onto the consumer - plus the consumer also pays more for energy.

A tax on prodcuers has the same effect as one on consumers.
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Dän;6407612 said:
No, The firms who value polution higher will pay more for it, in most cases, becauses it will be an added cost to producers they will need to become more savvy with their production to reduce polution so their costs dont increase. Hence, prices of some goods will go down, the enivronment will be better off because people have genuine incentive to cut down on emmissions - the market wins fucker.
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Why do costs that Labor propose work differently to the costs that Liberal propose?
 
Maybe cheap electricity as we have known it is a false expectation. It is only in very recent human history that we have had access to this.
 
Maybe Dan needs to get out and study true economy, I am a mechanic, I like you Shannow deal in carbon products so to speak. Already in the last 12 months the cost of oil and fuel has gone up, now is my boss really expected to absorb that cost and not pass it on at least is part to the customer? Same with lead in baterries, does anyone realize it has gone up 300% in 18 months? I bet not, but the price of your fucking batteries has gone up, why? Because NO ONE can absorb a price rise like that.


Now I may just be a simple fucking pinko, but there are a couple of reasons (well excuses for the blind) why carbon trading will skyrocket prices based purely on other products, in the same fossil fuel market
 
Yeah that's the one that pisses me off the most. It's a fucking scam, resulting in some of the highest beer prices in the world.
 
Which is less than the rate of inflation; so the real price has decreased.
 
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