... has been grating my nerves like shit. It sounds like Lars' snare's distant cousin or something. I mean seriously what is it with that hollow, empty, cardboard sound? It doesn't even fit that well into the mix.
The snare on Blackwater Park...
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i dont reckon it really stands out...... like say stanger lol
deliverance would have to have the best drum production for opeth, I like how u can clearly hear each bass drum strike, unlike BWP.
deliverance would have to have the best drum production for opeth, I like how u can clearly hear each bass drum strike, unlike BWP.
You know Andy Sneap really had to salvage the drums on Deliverance, and the man is a genius and did a masterful job. They had *NO* natural kicks recorded, so he had to digitally add it in, on top of that the snare is a mix of 50% dry original and 50% sample. After that Lopez was still bitching about there not being enough cymbals or something, haha.
Well, that's the thing, see. Steve Wilson usually over-produces albums, and here the snare is like the black sheep. Everything is compressed to the shithouse so you can hear every aspect of sound at the almost exact same level, and this snare has this hollow, unrefined sound to it. It also depends on how Lopez hits it. It didn't seem very consistent, or at least doesn't sound it. When he hits it real hard, you're left with a fairly good, metal thud, yet other times its like he's striking the skin right in the middle, where its stretched over some elongated ceramic tube.
ChrisEmerson
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L0bster
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Necessary side effect of constantly learning about production, I suppose. Didn't actually notice it till recently anyway (and the album's been out for a while).
is it usual to use bass drum samples in recordings these days rather than actually recording them naturally? Deliverance doesnt sound as cool now that i know it isnt actually him.... but what about in lamentations when they see him using the bass drum?
Nico
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^The studio they recorded the drums in were responsible for recording fucksups. A lot of albums these days use triggered drums for recording, but it just aint right. If you want a clear example, listen to the bass drum on Vader's "Litany".
Well if you want the bassdrum to be audible at all, you'll either want to trigger it or overlay with digital samples. It gives alot more of a polished sound... but the drummer would normally play the part anyway, just to add human dynamics to it. I'm not 100% sure if Andy manually added in every beat digitally, he could have possibly got Lopez to do the kicks again, but I recall him complaining that Opeth had no natural kick recorded.
I'm not sure what the hell happened with Lamentations. The entire thing sounds post-produced to me - not natural at all. I'm quite sure the guys actually played the material, but it sounds engineered on the DVD.
I'm not sure what the hell happened with Lamentations. The entire thing sounds post-produced to me - not natural at all. I'm quite sure the guys actually played the material, but it sounds engineered on the DVD.
synergy
tr00bie
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I definitely agree with you on that Moonlapse. I cant stand that one part on bleak either with the dominant solo on the high E string. It seems like that part isnt mixed very well, and whenever I play it, it seems to distort and sound like a mess of sound. Probably due to the many tracks present at that part in the song, but needless to say in my ears it doesnt sound like it was mixed very well. I would give you the exact time in the song, but im too damn lazy, and perhaps you know what I mean.
Ah, I think you might be reffering to digital clipping. If the sound seems like it 'peaks' and distorts than that's what it is. I can believe it, with BWP being so heavily compressed and pumped up in volume, but I've yet to hear it.
cthulufhtagn
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i can't say i'd really noticed anything wrong, although i could see how what they had to do to salvage the recordings they had might have affected it
Hejira_Omeed
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I noticed the same thing about the snare on blackwater park but its not nearly as disgusting as the ass snare sound on st anger. It just sounds like a really good snare with no tape on it or little ring thing to catch the hollow ringing sound after the crack
Oscar
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Moonlapse said:
Er... no. Triggering/sampling is used to make bass drum hits sound more consistent. To make them more audible in the mix, all you have to to is jack up the treble and compress them. Plenty of metal bands don't use triggers.
Well I'm just regurgitating what Andy was saying up in his forum. I figured with the several years of experience, and numerous metal albums under his belt, it'd be worth mentioning.
But yes, you make a good point - I can't argue with that.
But yes, you make a good point - I can't argue with that.
