The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Is Alive And Well!!!

Kyoto was shit. Most of the countries that signed signed because of pressure from other countries. The entire thing is set up to punish rich countries. The economy took a normal war time dip and has actually been gaining ground for quite a while now. There is no massive disaster at the hands of one man.
 
They wont be pulling off a small attack as you say.

I wonder how long it will be till George W. Fuckface decieds to forget about Bin Laden like he did 3 months after 9-11. Hmmmmm.


Ragamuffin said:
According to them, they've been about to do one every week since 9-11. Doesn't seem like they've been able to pull anything off though, even anything small. Hmm.
 
No, they won't. Or a large one, because security is tighter thanks to W and crew.

I'm going to put this in small words.

He never forgot about him.
Our army can do more than one thing at a time.
Just because the news shifted to Iraq did not mean they were not searching Afghanistan.
Seek out your news instead of only taking what is force fed to you.
 
You are funny. Misguided but funny. And rag, I seek out my news, I dont get my news from the Anthrax message board.

Security is tighter, (hey we caught Cat Stevens) thats a joke. The US INS is just as flawed as it was pre-9 11.

Why is it that I can sneek an ounce of pot on a plane every time I fly.

And no they wont find Bin Laden. If they could have they would have. But you know so much, I guess I should start listening to what you have to say. You are so informed and brilliant. Im going to start getting my news from you everyday. Man, Raggamuffin, you should run for President. You are a genius with all the answers. You could have Billy Milano as your VP, he is just as smart, and informed as you.

I can see it now. Raggamuffin and Milano 08.

Your motto can be 2 guys from a heavy metal bands message board that sure know a fuck of alot about everything.

...and guess what. I support Bush for this simple fact. My wife is rich, hence I am rich. Bush likes rich people, he gives us tax breaks that 90% of this country would shit if they understood or knew about. I think Bush is a joke, he makes America, and Americans look like a joke worldwide. Americans are no longer safe outside the USA because of Bush jr, and Bush Sr. But as long as he keeps my bank account fat. I support him.

You really need to learn about the man you admire so much.






Ragamuffin said:
No, they won't. Or a large one, because security is tighter thanks to W and crew.

I'm
He just decided to attack a soverign nation
Our army can do more than one thing at a time.
Just because the news shifted to Iraq did not mean they were not searching Afghanistan.
Seek out your news instead of only taking what is force fed to you.
 
I never once in my life said anything about admireing, or even likeing, George Bush.

Since 9-11 the assholes have been screaming 'This is just the beginning! This is just the beginning! The streets will run red!' and since 9-11 they've done jack shit. What, were they waiting to see if Bush got re-elected? Was 9-11 just about him, is that it? If they really wanted to take everything down, they'd be doing it, but they can't because we're rousting them out of their caves and fucking their shit up. I didn't say everything was perfect, but it damn sure ain't easy on them.

And who gives a shit if you can smuggle weed. That has nothing, at all, to do with anything.

As for Bin Laden, first of all, he's nothing. A Figure head, one guy. If he's caught, he's caught, if not, he's not. None the less he's got an entire network of people who's soul job it is is to hide him and help him get away. That's why we've gotten as far as to get his high level lieutenents, but just not him.

You said 'decieds to forget about Bin Laden', no one ever forgot about Bin Laden and if you actually went beyond cnn.com for your news you'd know that. Hell there were arrests made on the Afghan/Syria border YESTERDAY.
 
Since 9-11 the assholes have been screaming 'This is just the beginning! This is just the beginning! The streets will run red!' and since 9-11 they've done jack shit.

Again, since most Americans cant look outside their backyard fence( and I am going to include you in this comment)


These are all attacks linked to Al-Qaeda.


---2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 14 German tourists.
2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing one.
2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2003 (May): Four bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia housing compound, killing 17.
2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked two synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
2004 (March): Ten terrorists bombs exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 202 and injuring more than 1,400.
2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed nine.


You are again so correct Raggamuffin. Al-Qaeda has been doing nothing. Try looking outside your small town that you probably never even leave. The world is not the USA. But how would you know that. Do you even own a passport, better yet, do you own a passport that has at least 1 forign stamp on it.




And who gives a shit if you can smuggle weed. That has nothing, at all, to do with anything.


It all has to do with your claim of safety. Which you know little about. Have you ever been on a plane?

As for Bin Laden, first of all, he's nothing. A Figure head, one guy. If he's caught, he's caught, if not, he's not. None the less he's got an entire network of people who's soul job it is is to hide him and help him get away. That's why we've gotten as far as to get his high level lieutenents, but just not him. You said 'decieds to forget about Bin Laden', no one ever forgot about Bin Laden and if you actually went beyond cnn.com for your news you'd know that. Hell there were arrests made on the Afghan/Syria border YESTERDAY

Yeah Bin Laden is just 1 guy, one guy that murdered 3000+ Americans on American soil, a nobody. He is nothing. He just sends his minions out to kill average joes world wide all the time, but he is nothing.

Wow, how did you get so smart. Is Donald Rumsfeld your daddy. You sure seem to know alot about nothing. He has gotten away from the US, because the US stopped looking for him, and attacked a country that had NOTHING to do with terrorism. I actually watch news organizations from outside this country, because American news is filtered, censored, and filtered again. Who did we arrest yesterday, a couple of Syriians who had ZERO to do with any of the above mentioned attacks. Like i said a few posts up, your funny because you are misguided. Try taking a vacation outside the USA once, till then Im done with your stupid type. Get a clue dude, because you are so far from reality its sad.
 
No, I don't have a passport, but I'm only a 22 year old student who doesn't have rich parents to send him on vacations around the world.

Checking for drugs and checking for weapons isn't even kinda the same thing and you damn well know it. Youre grasping at straws.

Let's see, you've got a whole list of attacks, none on US soil, thusly none having anything to do with anything I've been talking about. Still not so much as a jwalking AlQaeda member in the states.

Neah, Syria has nothing to do with Terrorism. You're absolutley right. My bad, I don't know what I was thinking when I said that. Nevermind the facts.
 
I hate politics!! fuck religion!! the world is full of fuck ups!! Do you really think / believe that Kerry was/is the right man for the job??
Yesterday a Dutch filmmaker was shot and stabbed because of his opinios on the Islam!!
 
dutchy said:
I hate politics!! fuck religion!! the world is full of fuck ups!! Do you really think / believe that Kerry was/is the right man for the job??
Yesterday a Dutch filmmaker was shot and stabbed because of his opinios on the Islam!!
Yeah man that definitely sucks. I feel the same about religion and politics. I talked to a guy who´d spent most of his life in Amsterdam, he was shocked by that shit.
 
Exactly, you are a 22 year old.(I had a passport at 17 BTW) Have fun when W and company draft your young ass to fight another useless war. I dont have rich parents, I have a rich wife, and I have a masters degree, and a dam fine job that allows me to explore beyond my backyard. Its your ignorance that is the most disturbing.

The point I am making about the sneeking pot on a plane is this. The 50 year old overweight lady that doesnt give a shit about her airport screening job, cant even find a bag full of pot the size of bottle of shampoo, how the hell is she going to stop someone from bringing a box cutter on a plane. Im not grasping at straws, you are just ignorant of the facts.

When you get a bit older, and a bit wiser, you will see that the list of attacks I have mentioned, even though not on US soil, have a huge ramifications for the USA.




Ragamuffin said:
No, I don't have a passport, but I'm only a 22 year old student who doesn't have rich parents to send him on vacations around the world.

Checking for drugs and checking for weapons isn't even kinda the same thing and you damn well know it. Youre grasping at straws.

Let's see, you've got a whole list of attacks, none on US soil, thusly none having anything to do with anything I've been talking about. Still not so much as a jwalking AlQaeda member in the states.

Neah, Syria has nothing to do with Terrorism. You're absolutley right. My bad, I don't know what I was thinking when I said that. Nevermind the facts.
 
Ok, here's what I don't like about Bush, He caters to the rich and the big business (duh... big surprise, he's a texas oil man). Me personally I'm poor, and had to bust my ass for everything I have. Bush does more to help the rich get richer, by way of tax breaks, than he does to help senior citizens on assisted living pay for heat and there medicine.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Kerry advocate either. No matter how you slice it, it's a Shit deal.
 
Yes, you obviously have to be at least 24 and have been to Italy at least twice before you can talk about US politics and security. That makes perfect sense.

I seriously hope you're joking about this 'sneaking marijuana' thing. You don't honestly think they, and by they I mean the all encompassing mysterious capital letter They, search for drugs the same way they search for weapons. News flash for ya, they really don't give a shit. Especially when the drugs are travelling through the country already and at such small quantities. I hate to blow your whole smuggler mystique, but you're not exactly Han Solo with this shit. Fuck, I'm only a stupid 22 year old student who's never even left the country and I know that.
 
its so easy to blame one person for everything that goes wrong,thats is why we have democracy,dont u have parliment sittings,100's of people are involved in how the country is run so quit winging u fucking sooks and get a life!

no one is safe from terror attacks,it doesnt matter who is in charge,actually i woulda liked kerry to win so the whole country could be perfect like some idiots here think.
 
muffytheVampirelayer said:
Exactly, you are a 22 year old.(I had a passport at 17 BTW) Have fun when W and company draft your young ass to fight another useless war. I dont have rich parents, I have a rich wife, and I have a masters degree, and a dam fine job that allows me to explore beyond my backyard. Its your ignorance that is the most disturbing.

The point I am making about the sneeking pot on a plane is this. The 50 year old overweight lady that doesnt give a shit about her airport screening job, cant even find a bag full of pot the size of bottle of shampoo, how the hell is she going to stop someone from bringing a box cutter on a plane. Im not grasping at straws, you are just ignorant of the facts.

When you get a bit older, and a bit wiser, you will see that the list of attacks I have mentioned, even though not on US soil, have a huge ramifications for the USA.
Okay, slow down there on W reinstating the draft.

Take a gander at this written by Professor Bruce Chapman, a specialist in public policy development with a long career in government service at all levels, as well as a private career as an editorial writer, publisher and public policy fellow. In 1985 he was appointed United States Ambassador to the United Nations Organizations in Vienna, Austria, serving through 1988. He received the State Department's Superior Honor Award. His diverse responsibilities included such subject areas as nuclear proliferation, refugees, economic development and narcotics control.

This is a lengthy read,

Of all the upside-down, misreported issues of 2004, the phoniest is the Kerry camp's assertion that a re-elected George W. Bush will bring back the draft. The case is much stronger that John Kerry himself would do so.

Military conscription was abolished more than 30 years ago by Richard Nixon (yes, that's right) after a six-year campaign by Republicans to replace draftees with volunteers attracted to service by decent pay and better living conditions. I know, because my book, "The Wrong Man in Uniform," in 1967, helped launch a movement for reform that borrowed heavily on the ideas of economist Milton Friedman and was led in Congress by a young Illinoisan named Donald Rumsfeld.

Fighting on the other side of the issue were Democrats led by none other than Ted Kennedy. President Johnson's administration had resisted draft reform and Kennedy and company wanted to retain conscription and make it more universal. Since only a small share of each age cohort of young men was needed to serve in the armed forces, Republicans sought to enlist that share with positive incentives while the Democrats proposed to draft everybody for "National Service," a new kind of conscription that could be fulfilled in the military, but also in various government-assigned jobs.

The volunteer military was a political victory by libertarian conservatives against social-engineering liberals, and its success, as nearly all military leaders acknowledge, has been a significant factor in improving the quality and motivation of America's armed forces in the years following the draft-driven (and protested) Vietnam War.

But liberals have never given up the idea of national service. Funded by fat grants from major foundations, a long parade of studies and schemes to introduce the idea has marched forth in a seemingly endless column from think tanks and academia. In the face of the military's own desire never again to rely on coerced recruits, such organizations as the Brookings Institution have proposed instead an ever-expanding realm of paid voluntarism in the social service sector.

President Bush, like his father, has supported voluntary service, too, even with government funds, but nothing like the scope and cost envisioned by such liberals as Kennedy, and now John Kerry. Candidate Kerry wants to enlist a half million people in his plan, many doing "service" for indirect pay, such as schooling grants, that taxpaying citizens perform now, or could perform if compensated.

But always lurking in the background for liberals has been the idea of getting "service" out of everybody and the full awareness that that will entail coercion in the form of conscription someday. Democrats are the main backers of comprehensive national service proposals in Congress and two Democrats, Charles Rangel and Jim McDermott, were the sponsors of the bills on the draft that the House voted down recently.

Meanwhile, the military (despite misreporting to the contrary) continues to meet and exceed its recruiting and re-enlistment quotas, even as the total size of the armed forces has been increased somewhat. Only the National Guard has failed, in August this year, to fully meet its re-enlistment quotas, largely, one suspects, because of recent unanticipated extensions of service in Iraq. The latter is a concern, though temporary, but it does not bear on the case for and against a resumption of a draft. Much more serious threats to enlistments and re-enlistments were experienced in the Clinton years when pay scales and health services were allowed to erode.

If anyone doubts what is going on here, he might simply examine who backs Kerry, and he will find that almost all the longtime advocates of national service (including many who wish to resume a draft) are among them. On the other stand nearly all of us who worked to introduce a volunteer military in the first place and have worked ever since to preserve it.

Polls show that military families will vote for Bush over Kerry by ratios of up to 3 to 1. Among other things, they know who wants a competent professional fighting force and who would allow it to degrade to the point that a draft became necessary.

It is demagogic, therefore, for Kerry to claim that it is Bush who would like to bring back the draft, not him. It is even more reprehensible that Kerry's friends in the media have refused to explain the background on this issue to a generation of voters who are too young not to be gulled by campaign propaganda.


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/196881_chapman27.html


I myself, I didn't like either choices, Bush and Kerry both scare me actually. But, Kerry has scared me more than Bush.