There are No Theists in Hospital Waiting Rooms
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Loren Littlejohn
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20 years and that's it?
172?
Why the fucking fuck is this even an issue?
I'm fairly certain more kids die in car accidents in a week than that.
Seriously this guy sounds like an asshole. Listening to him for more than a few seconds makes me want to punch him in the head.
172?
Why the fucking fuck is this even an issue?
I'm fairly certain more kids die in car accidents in a week than that.
Seriously this guy sounds like an asshole. Listening to him for more than a few seconds makes me want to punch him in the head.
Keregioz
Kimon Zeliotis
Yeah...I guess praying does work!
Also, this video requires from you to read and listen completely different things simultaneously
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I'd watch out, I said that about Jehovas and blood transfusions (ie a sub-area of this whole argument) and no one liked me anymore.
abyssofdreams
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Well I guess the point is that they died because of faith.
Even 1 child dying because the parents choosed to deny medical help is too much imho.
TheWinterSnow
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the parents should be charged with manslaughter, the child is too young to make the right choice and therefore it is suppossed to be in the parents hands. refusing basic care that is common knowlege over selfishness that results in death should be pheld to full extent of the law.
And the jehovas witness and jews who refuse blood transfusions, well they made the choice to die so thats cool, population control.
Loren Littlejohn
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Öwen;8488839 said:I'd watch out, I said that about Jehovas and blood transfusions (ie a sub-area of this whole argument) and no one liked me anymore.
Yeah I don't care. Using such uninspiring data to form an opinion is fucking retarded. Maybe if there was a couple 0s after that number I might go "yeah I guess." But we are talking 172 families in 20 years, and I know that's only what reported but I am willing to bet the margin of error is isn't that great (and hey they MUST represent what thousands of religious people in the United States). Give me a fucking break, come back with a more convincing argument and I might take you seriously.
More people kill kids in the USA each year than that just because THEY SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING. I don't see any video about that though, just when religion is a supposed factor. OH THEN YOUR A CRAZY FUCK.
Like not crossing a bridge because 5 or 10 have collapsed in the past 50 years (yeah making that up to make a point).
REALLY, OMG BRIDGES COLLAPSE IT'S SO FUCKING HARMFUL AND I SHOULD GIVE A FUCK AND NOT USE BRIDGES BECAUSE THEY ARE HARMFUL TO PEOPLE LIKE ALL THE TIME!!!!
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Narissa
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ok, well the point is that if a parent didnt take a child to a doctor, it would be neglect. if a child is vomitting violently for 4 days straight and the parents didnt take it to the doctor (because of religious reasons or not) that IS neglect. faith is one thing. nothing wrong with having faith. but to watch a child die and do nothing more than pray? prayers are fine, but man has to do for themselves too. (teach a man to fish...). fuck. get some medical attention for the child, then pray. if man waited for god to solve all of lifes problems, diapers wouldnt get changed, children wouldnt be fed. i guess that would be gods will too, to let the child starve? i think not. we have hands and feet for a reason. use the sources god gave you, see a doctor about herbal medicines or something. this is nothing against religion. this is against stubborness. bottom line, if a child were getting dragged into the forest by a grizzly bear would people just say "god's will, back to our sandwiches"??? doubtful. well, germs, bacteria, viruses, they are all microscopic animals. so why not fend them off? the fact is, it doesnt matter how many children this effects. everything and anything that hurts a child that cant defend itself is horrible.
and by the way, i would "cross a bridge", but i would choose the most reliable and carefully constructed bridge. also one that doesnt have a reputation for killing children
medical care being the old standby bridge, and neglect being the other. not religion.
and by the way, i would "cross a bridge", but i would choose the most reliable and carefully constructed bridge. also one that doesnt have a reputation for killing children
medical care being the old standby bridge, and neglect being the other. not religion.
I pretty much don't understand what Loren is going on about. What is the problem? Not enough dead children for you?
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i love how grandiose all the monty python shit got near the end of all their creative output
the meaning of life is a work of absolute brilliance haha
and also, i really dont have anything more to add. all the more reason to despise organised religion
the meaning of life is a work of absolute brilliance haha
and also, i really dont have anything more to add. all the more reason to despise organised religion
spioraid
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I know in this company I can't say anything against Christian Scientists as it would appear the pot calling the kettle black *sheepish grin*, but let me refute a couple points.
No where in the Bible, the Quoran, the Apocrypha or even the Book of Mormon (if I recall correctly) say anything about refusing all form of medicine and replacing it with faith/prayer healing. The theology of faith healing comes from a misunderstanding of God's character. Take for instance the story of Abraham and Isaac. God Himself promised Abraham that his son would live and help create the nation of Israel, so when God told Abraham to kill him it was a test of faith. If God has promised something, it would be done. Either Isaac would never be killed or be brought back from the dead or WHATEVER, God has made that specific promise. As the story goes an angel was sent to stop Abraham, and a lamb was killed in Isaacs stead. That is also meant as a picture that God will never bring us to a point to human sacrifice in order to be obedient or faithful. That's a picture of why He sent Christ to die on a cross, so that we don't have to kill ourselves or each to appease justice.
So this guy gets on a personal vendetta against Christian Scientists and labels all of religions at once. As previously stated, that small number over the course of 20 years is unfortunate, but hardly something to start a movement on. I'd like to see a comparison of that number over 20 years against 20 years of malpractice.
/waiver/ I'm a Protestant, Calvinstic/Reformed for those who care to be specific.
No where in the Bible, the Quoran, the Apocrypha or even the Book of Mormon (if I recall correctly) say anything about refusing all form of medicine and replacing it with faith/prayer healing. The theology of faith healing comes from a misunderstanding of God's character. Take for instance the story of Abraham and Isaac. God Himself promised Abraham that his son would live and help create the nation of Israel, so when God told Abraham to kill him it was a test of faith. If God has promised something, it would be done. Either Isaac would never be killed or be brought back from the dead or WHATEVER, God has made that specific promise. As the story goes an angel was sent to stop Abraham, and a lamb was killed in Isaacs stead. That is also meant as a picture that God will never bring us to a point to human sacrifice in order to be obedient or faithful. That's a picture of why He sent Christ to die on a cross, so that we don't have to kill ourselves or each to appease justice.
So this guy gets on a personal vendetta against Christian Scientists and labels all of religions at once. As previously stated, that small number over the course of 20 years is unfortunate, but hardly something to start a movement on. I'd like to see a comparison of that number over 20 years against 20 years of malpractice.
/waiver/ I'm a Protestant, Calvinstic/Reformed for those who care to be specific.
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
Woops missed this post.
I'm saying these people would be idiots even if religion wasn't a factor influencing them.
But hey they must be the representation of all of religion so it's completely logical to deduce based on what was presented here that religion is harmful.
roy22341
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Loren, I'm with you on this one. I'm a full blown atheist - but atheists piss me off as much as Christians, Jews, Muslims, and every other religion you could possibly mention. The problem with a lot of atheists is that they'll take a few extreme cases of religion and extrapolate it onto the entire religious base. The people who let their children die rather than seek medical attention are absolute idiots, the fact that they're Christians has little to do with it - there are more than a handful of Christians who take sick children to hospitals.
Sometimes, some Muslims commit suicide bombings against 'infidels.' Some radical Christians take this an extrapolate it unfairly onto the entire Muslim world. Most atheists don't really care about this though, because its becoming 'hip' to be atheist, but only if its against Christians. I'd really like to see atheists get off their soapbox about it, because that's all they complain about Christians doing.
I'm an atheist because I don't believe in a God - not because I think no one should believe in a God.
Sometimes, some Muslims commit suicide bombings against 'infidels.' Some radical Christians take this an extrapolate it unfairly onto the entire Muslim world. Most atheists don't really care about this though, because its becoming 'hip' to be atheist, but only if its against Christians. I'd really like to see atheists get off their soapbox about it, because that's all they complain about Christians doing.
I'm an atheist because I don't believe in a God - not because I think no one should believe in a God.
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