This just proves it!

[Mr. Shred-ididle]

This just proves it - The whole fucking music industry SUCKS BALLS!

I'm speachless; The people who invented this should be burnt in enternal tourture (I'm serious!)

www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/129/nation/Hit_song_predictions_get_a_scientific_spin+.shtml

I just hope it doesn't much more powerful/influential as it is.

PS - Sorrey for making another thread but after I read this in the JP forum, I was blown away.

THIS IS EVILLL!!!!!!!!

 

[Pharaoh]

Shreddi, this in no "new advancement" in the industry, by any means. From the beginning of computer database analysis, these techniques have been finely tuned. Obviously, it has recently been refined to a marketable commodity of its own. Sure it sucks big time. It's not going to change.

Powerful/influential as it is, this is a powerful and influential big money business worldwide. Manipulation and deception has been a factor for many many years. Believe me, there have been more powerful and influential tactics than this one.

Before you stroke out over this, take a deep breath and be thankful for the opportunity to find and grasp hold of this music we're into. I do not believe the record companies and producers of the music we're into would ever have an interest in these tactics, anymore than the bands would revel in top 10 chart hit status. It's not what they / we are all about. There are different priorities here and a high self-respect as well. Even if a musical genius like Michael Romeo uses his computer software to write and produce the band's songs, the human element is firmly intact here. I'm confident and secure in this thought.

So let's say "This just proves" another reason to be glad we're where we're at in the music that we have found and enjoy. I am.

"Pharaoh's curse upon you who choose to invade this sacred ground" !!!!!!!!!!

 

[SilentRealm]

Yes it is why pop groups such as NSync (and..whoever the feck else out there sounds like them, of which there are HUNDREDS! to chose from) keep getting chart toppers and continue to get rich from it, and bands like Symphony X continue to appeal to a smaller yet GENUINE fanbase, and I'm betting they still struggle financially.
The only real regret I have over it is the fact that u really have to look hard to find bands worthwhile. Hell I only just discovered Symphony X a few months ago!! and that's because their music just doesnt get out until ur lucky enough to find someone to recommend them to u.
Feck the music industry, like every other industry it's extremely corrupt, it's up to us the fans to get the music out to the world.

 

['Shuggah]

I'm a bit surprised.

I've been thinking about algorithmical music generation for a few years now, but mainly just to have something to tinker with. And now we're already half-way there.

This just further assures me that in the end we're no more human beings but just mere cog wheels and pegs in the monstrous machine called global economy. Nowadays man only exists to consume.

 

[Mr. Shred-ididle]

@ Pharoah

I wasn't fretting THAT much over it, but I didn't think the Mooozik bizz was that fucked up. Thats all.

 

[Macy]

The music industry is, like any other industry these days, about making money. I think it was over like 500 years ago that it wasn't, when music had another purpouse than making money.
But just as there will always be greedy people so will there always be musicians who are in it because it's what they live for. But naturally it pisses us off when we spend 5 hours a day practicing guitar and still don't get anywhere while some bimbo teen-age girl earns millions in one day just because she happened to be pretty to look at.

This is all because of human weakness. If people weren't weak and fell for sex, if they cared for more than just elevator background music, then money-pumping record companies would be out of business. Then the real music would get the credit it deserves. But most of the human race wants to be dictated, they don't want to think for themselves, and therefore they give others the power to rule their lives. It's sad but true. If you allow your life to be all about bills and problems and shit, then you're gonna think "oh, music isn't important. As long as it gets into my head quickly so that I don't have to think about it too much (or at all), I'm happy. I don't care about sound quality, I don't care if it's out of pitch and pure crap, etc..."

What I'm trying to say is, the world is a miserable place and the last thing miserable people care about is wheather the music they listen to came from the heart or if it was produced by some computer. Change yourself to change others.

 

[Pharaoh]

@ Pharoah

I wasn't fretting THAT much over it, but I didn't think the Mooozik bizz was that fucked up. Thats all.

For 13 years old, you seem to be aware of a lot already, which is good, because you have a strong desire to learn. I've found that the more knowledge I gain about wrongs that are and have been done on a lot of levels, the more miserable I get. Maybe it's because they're all wrongs that I can't contribute anything to change for the better. I suppose that's just a part of getting older. You don't have to search for information that makes you miserable nearly as hard as you did years ago. Much is right in your face these days!!!!!!! :Spin:

 

[FLechdrop]

The music industry is, like any other industry these days, about making money. I think it was over like 500 years ago that it wasn't, when music had another purpouse than making money.
But just as there will always be greedy people so will there always be musicians who are in it because it's what they live for. But naturally it pisses us off when we spend 5 hours a day practicing guitar and still don't get anywhere while some bimbo teen-age girl earns millions in one day just because she happened to be pretty to look at.

This is all because of human weakness. If people weren't weak and fell for sex, if they cared for more than just elevator background music, then money-pumping record companies would be out of business. Then the real music would get the credit it deserves. But most of the human race wants to be dictated, they don't want to think for themselves, and therefore they give others the power to rule their lives. It's sad but true. If you allow your life to be all about bills and problems and shit, then you're gonna think "oh, music isn't important. As long as it gets into my head quickly so that I don't have to think about it too much (or at all), I'm happy. I don't care about sound quality, I don't care if it's out of pitch and pure crap, etc..."

What I'm trying to say is, the world is a miserable place and the last thing miserable people care about is wheather the music they listen to came from the heart or if it was produced by some computer. Change yourself to change others.

You rule
You said that very well.

 

[FLechdrop]

For 13 years old, you seem to be aware of a lot already, which is good, because you have a strong desire to learn. I've found that the more knowledge I gain about wrongs that are and have been done on a lot of levels, the more miserable I get. Maybe it's because they're all wrongs that I can't contribute anything to change for the better. I suppose that's just a part of getting older. You don't have to search for information that makes you miserable nearly as hard as you did years ago. Much is right in your face these days!!!!!!! :Spin:

Part of getting older? I'm 16 and already have that

 

[Chainrider]

Thank God for labels like InsideOut who use their EARS to hear quality music.

And about making money in music, it is tough, but not impossible, even for a prog metal group. The best kind of label to have is a genre based indie label (InsideOut) who works directly with distributors instead of going through the chain in order to sell music. The result the amount the artist gets is increased from a mere 50 cents a cd to possibly 3-5 dollars a cd. Plus, take into account that Symphony X finances their own recording. When Dream Theater heads into the studio, elektra is footing the bill, and the first stocks of cash the band gets, they owe straight back to the company. They also lavishly tour, as compared to the smarter bands, who in the beginning, do exactly what they need to do. Remember, nothing is free in music.

 

[Mr. Shred-ididle]

Posted by Pharoah
You don't have to search for information that makes you miserable nearly as hard as you did years ago. Much is right in your face these days!!!!!!! :Spin:

Tell me about it. But this was a shock! Woah woah!

 

[Grom Hellscream]

to Shred - Whatever.

Being a 13 year old boy you shouldn't use such dirty words as f..k and so on. I ask you not to do this, please. Don't pollute your speach with this trash without proper reason.

 

[Mr. Shred-ididle]

God forbid. I'm not that bad. I only said it once.

Ok then, getting on with the topic....

 

[Zax666]

Let me summarize what was in this article and correct me in case I'm wrong:
"Well we are getting less and less sales on new releases because songs are getting all the same but we'll make mathemathical evaluations on scientifically unresearchable human beings of how much they're gonna like our new homogenic songs which will look more and more like the old ones."

That'd give them ten more years, no more...

Just like classical music has never been really successful, Prog Metal will never be too, but at least we shall do what we want.

Oh, and... Macy... those people don't really understand music, they don't know the true definition of the word. These are lemnings, they've been before, they'd be forever. So many programmers listening to metal can't be just a coincidence, ya know?

I remember going to a symphonic concert once, when I was a kid. A friend of mine told me it bored him to death... But I found it great, impressive, emotional, romantic, dramatic, in one word, IMPRESSIVE. Same with reading books.

It's expensive being a romantic. It's always been and it'd always be... The big corporational machines NEED ones like us so they can't kill us. Yet.

"It's so easy to give in,
play your dirty trick and win,
join the lemnings on the shore,
and fly but then,
don't complain if you drown in the end..."

I hope I made my point...

 

[Jax]

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