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New legislation: Online MP3 swappers to face felony charges, 5 year prison sentence
Posted: July 17, 2003, 7:40 am
REUTERS - Internet users who allow others to copy songs from their hard drives could face prison time under legislation introduced by two Democratic lawmakers on Wednesday.

The bill is the strongest attempt yet to deter the widespread online song copying that recording companies say has led to a decline in CD sales.

Sponsored by Michigan Rep. John Conyers and California Rep. Howard Berman, the bill would make it easier to slap criminal charges on Internet users who copy music, movies and other copyrighted files over "peer-to-peer" networks.

The recording industry has aggressively pursued Napster, Kazaa and other peer-to-peer networks in court and recently announced it planned to sue individual users as well.

In a series of hearings on Capitol Hill last spring, lawmakers condemned online song swapping and expressed concern the networks could spread computer viruses, create government security risks and allow children access to pornography.

Few online copyright violators have faced criminal charges so far. A New Jersey man pleaded guilty to distributing a digital copy of the movie "The Hulk" in federal court three weeks ago, but the Justice Department has not taken action against Internet users who offer millions of copies of songs each day.

The Conyers-Berman bill would operate under the assumption that each copyrighted work made available through a computer network was copied by others at least 10 times for a total retail value of $2,500. That would bump the activity from a misdemeanor to a felony, carrying a sentence of up to five years in jail.

It would also outlaw the practice of videotaping a movie in the theater, a favorite illicit method of copying movies.

"While existing laws have been useful in stemming this problem, they simply do not go far enough," said Conyers, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee.

The Recording Industry Association of America praised the bill and said it would help them fight illegal online copying.

One copyright expert said the bill paints online song-swapping with too broad a brush as much of that activity does not rise to a criminal level.

"We don't think it should be the role of the FBI to treat all copyright infringement as criminal," said Mike Godwin, staff counsel at Public Sector, a nonprofit group that frequently disagrees with the RIAA.

A Conyers staffer said the bill had won the backing of many Democrats but Republicans had yet to endorse it.

The staffer said backers hoped to discuss the bill at a hearing on Thursday and combine it next week with another sponsored by Texas Republican Rep. Lamar Smith, who chairs an intellectual-property subcommittee.

"Once we have the opportunity to analyze the bill language we will be able to determine how it affects our fight against piracy," a Smith spokesman said in an e-mail message.

Uranium Comment: I posted this to show how absurd this is getting. I firmly believe that artists should be compensated in full, but slapping felony charges on activities engaged in daily by millions of teenagers and adults isn't going to solve anything. The point is, a precedence has been established, and there is no going back. However hard you try to clamp down on online MP3 swapping, IT WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN. Or, we can waste tax dollars and prison space on avid music fans who had one too many Metallica albums on their computers.
 
fuck off,downloading songs IS illegal.someone has paid to record them,someone lost his years practicing and composing them,and if you want to listen to them you can easily go to your local record store and purchase them.if your profession was a musician or a record label exec,would you like people downloading your product for free,and you who has paid for it and must live with the profits taking nothing?sure it's very convenient for you listening to everything you like for free.well it's stealing.i do it too (never for full albums,or songs that i would buy),but i know it is illegal.defending stealing is rude to say the least
 
No you CANT FUCKING GO TO A LOCAL SHOP.

90% of my CD collection is ordered from abroad. Local shops simply will not stock or order it.
I would also never have heard of bands such as Nevermore and Freak Kitchen(THEN BOUGHT THEIR ALBUMS) without the Net.

They can just try to shut Kazaa down. Remember what happened when napster collapsed? The next day you had 50 mini versions. And It will happen again and again.

And trying to prosecute someone over the internet.... I'm not even going to start.
 
ok,then lets put it this way,you can either go to your local store or order your cds through the net.i too have learned a few bands from the net,and if the bands are clever enough,they can put a couple of their songs in their website.just like nevermore do.so you can still learn nevermore from the net,but legally.
 
FUCK NO!

Are you aware how expensive CDs are?
Christ, 30 bucks a pop.
And at least when I download them I know if theyre worth the 30 bucks.
Imagine, I might've bought st anger..... :O


hahah, no way
 
They are cutting their own flesh and don't realize it...idiots. They shall not complain about decreasing sales income.
But I think, the normal DLers like us are quite safe, they are looking for the big fishes with the big systems and thousands till tenthousands of files in their cellars..
 
It may be illegal but it should not be a felony. Even if you record another bands song, put it on your cd and sell it, you will not go to jail. Why the hell should you face prison time for sharing (no money involved) on the internet.
 
www.hmv.com

THat's the main place where you get CDs in Canada.
Do a search for Manilla Road.
Or try finding some Satan.
Fall of the leafe, Running Wild, Hades, Pentagram, lux occulta, crimson glory, pentacle, Sabbat, satanic warmaster, By War, Bulldozer, doomsword, Burden Of Grief, Averse Sefira, Desaster, Enisferum, acheron, Ildjarn, Hobb's Angel of Death, Impending Doom, infernal majesty,
 
Chuut-Riit said:
They are cutting their own flesh and don't realize it...idiots. They shall not complain about decreasing sales income.
But I think, the normal DLers like us are quite safe, they are looking for the big fishes with the big systems and thousands till tenthousands of files in their cellars..

ahem... like me lol
Oh well it Isn't like it affects me as much as it does people in the states.
Copyright law is pretty slack here.
 
everybody knows downloading songs is illegal and most people end up buying the albums anyway.

A good majority of the songs I download, I download to check out a cd to see if I'll like it.

And then order my cd online.

Pretty soon, people will begin boycotting cds and then the RIAA will be really fucked.

Not to mention the influx of cd/MP3 players...the companies that make those will be hurt as well.
 
retarded penguin said:
http://www.hmv.com

THat's the main place where you get CDs in Canada.
Do a search for Manilla Road.
Or try finding some Satan.
Fall of the leafe, Running Wild, Hades, Pentagram, lux occulta, crimson glory, pentacle, Sabbat, satanic warmaster, By War, Bulldozer, doomsword, Burden Of Grief, Averse Sefira, Desaster, Enisferum, acheron, Ildjarn, Hobb's Angel of Death, Impending Doom, infernal majesty,

I couldn't find any of them :OMG::OMG::OMG::OMG::OMG: Figures.
 
downloading mp3s is not illegal ...unfortunatelly
SELLING mp3s is illegal.
mp3s really suck so much , what sucks more is people who think they listen properly to music because they download tons of mp3s and discographies of bands ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO DOWNLOAD SONGS AND DONT BUY THE MUSIC ..the mp3 music lovers ...bad thing ..and think they ... got the idea ....
Dragonlord said most of the things i wanted to say about the topic ..
retarted penguin most of the cds you mentioned can be found very easily ...
the Manilla Road albums are all releleased from major metal labels ...and of course ALL CDS from the bands you mentioned can be found in the bands official website ...well most of them ...and of course ebay.
all cry like babies about "i cant find the cds i want" and really dont search at all...
 
I dont think I have "the idea", there is no "idea".
Basically I can take in a lot at once, and it means I have huge appetite for music, this appetite unfortunately surpasses the amount of cash in my wallet. I'd say over 50% of albums I download I eventually buy, and about 30% get deleted when I'm tired of them.
I'm not making excuses or saying this is morally justifiable, but what I'm saying is I dont take without giving back.
 
IOfTheStorm said:
the Manilla Road albums are all releleased from major metal labels ...and of course ALL CDS from the bands you mentioned can be found in the bands official website ...well most of them ...and of course ebay.
all cry like babies about "i cant find the cds i want" and really dont search at all...

Hey dickhead!
Why don't you also take into account that I'm fucking 15, and most of these places require A CREDIT CARD.
Plus, I don't like recieving things in the mail, there is always the risk of having things lost and given that I don't have a steady source of income, losing money is something I am not too keen on.
 
hey ..[retarted penguin]cunthead[/retarted penguin]
Why don't you also take into account that I'm fucking 15, and most of these places require A CREDIT CARD.
wow, why dont you also take into account that because you are 15 and you know few you cannot say things like "oh my god Manilla Road is impossible to find and try to find THAT on cd etc etc"
Plus, I don't like recieving things in the mail, there is always the risk of having things lost and given that I don't have a steady source of income, losing money is something I am not too keen on.
this has nothing to do with the fact that all the things you mention can be found easily , but they are out of your sight ..and the range from where you buy stuff.
all of us take risks , if i would not take a huge risk i would not have an authentic psychotic waltz t-shirt (yes i am proud and a big poser for that) ..if you dont want to take a risk then keep whining about the rarities you desire and never have them on cd, just mp3
 
hey ...cockfaced motherfucker.
IOfTheCOCK said:
wow, why dont you also take into account that because you are 15 and you know few you cannot say things like "oh my god Manilla Road is impossible to find and try to find THAT on cd etc etc"

What? Try responding intelligently you dumb shit.
I've fucking looked, my age doesn't take away my ability to fucking search the internet.
Every single fucking place requires a credit card of some type, very very few places accept cash or cheques.

IOfTheCOCK said:
if you dont want to take a risk then keep whining about the rarities you desire and never have them on cd, just mp3

Hey retard, I'm all for risks and shit, I just said the possibly of losing money is something I am not very keen on.

And I'm not JUST 'whining' about finding this music in CD stores, if it weren't for downloading my musical knowledge would still be that of Metallica and Nirvana.

Two bands who I've come to realize are horrendous.