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Now my balls have fallen off, go me!
Now my balls have fallen off, go me!
MetalHeadMarc
Dark Lord of the Sith
retarded penguin said:
Hey retard, listen, I don't have a credit card either but I manage to get my cd's. Thats a really lame excuse b/c, down here in the USofA I can go to record store and special order anything I need. I order most of my cd's from www.theendrecords.com. They have a killer selection and they and it grows every day. Its the best metal online store i've found. Its free shipping to the continental US (not canda, sorry ey) and their cd's are priced around 12-14 dollars. Not the alleged 30 bucks a pops, which I think is total bullshit. I send them money orders through the mail. They've delivered every time and I've done it 4 times now. I don't know about the Canadian mail service, but in the US, yes money gets nabbed if sent through the mail, but MO's on the other hand don't because,like a check, a MO can be made out to some one but unlike a check it doesn't have to be verrified (its same as cash alomost)
About this, I don't have income bullshit. Listen you have computer and your paying some ISP, so you probably have money. It just that you'd rather not buy a cd when you can save your money for some thing that isn't "free"
What most people fail to see is that the music industry is gonna go belly up. Is that good? No. I don't like the record companies but I do like artists, and what hurts the record company hurts artists. If piracy continues on its path, there won't be any bands around.
I don't know about you, but I listen to Underground Heavy Metal. Most of these bands need our money to make music. I support music by buying it, not pirating it and give some lame, "i can't afford it" bullshit excuse. I'm glad I know I keep Metal alive in some way and so should you.
I'm gonna have to give reference to Lars on this next point (although he is probably responsible for Metallica's current state). "sharing" is positive word. If I share my sandwhich, I don't have a whole sandwhich. If I share my car, I can't use my car for day. What's going on with these file "sharing" programs is copying and pirating. Piracy is rampant any way. Although I don't agree with the means, I am glad that some one is taking the steps to try to eliminate or minimize the stealing of intelectual property.
And another thing, I'm mad at Metallica for their musical direction, not becuase of the napster ordeal. I mean what real Metallica fan had to DL their music. I had all thier albums already as I'm sure all the real fans did.
The people that work at most of these stores look at you like youre fucking insane to think a band named Hobb's Angel Of Death exists.
yeah buddy, US
you seem to have already forgotten I live in Canada.....in one sentence..............
Not familiar with MOs...
Read the thread buddy, how many 15 year olds do you know live without their parents/ guardians of some kind?
Good point, now we just got to get them to distribute the good music to the masses.
I own 100+ metal cds, I try, but wanna know something, this doesnt help the band alot, they get like a buck for every record sold.
I support my bands by going to their concerts and spending what little (if any) money I have on shirt. And whats this about underground music? look at my list of bands.....thats preeeeetty underground buddy
PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
I don't have a single record store in my town, or even close to me that sales anything metal. I mean absolutely no metal at all. Luckily, there is a great little place called theendrecords.com (like you mentioned) where I buy all of my cds. And don't worry about them not shipping to Canada for free, because the shipping price is extremely cheap. In fact, I have never seen a place that is cheaper. But luckily, I live in the U.S., so the shipping is even cheaper for me. 
Kon16ov
Super-sized Freak Pie.
First of all, it's 4 in the friggin' morning and I'm crabby. Second, all this cussin' and name-callin' is making my eyes cross. Third, the music I listen to is RARELY available from stores (Barnes and Noble? Give me a friggin' break. CDConnection? Riiiiiiight.) and is also getting increasing difficult to find on-line. Fourth, most of the music I listen to is a result of some form of mp3 and if it's worth the CD it's printed on, I go to the site and purchase from the artist. If you haven't read Courtney Love's rant from a few years back on how artists are being raped by the music companies, I recommend you check it out. The fact that most bands I listen to have to have DAY JOBS because their music, despite selling 500,000 copies of an album, touring for 18 months straight...I mean, really...
Here's my food for thought for the morning:
1) cd quality is superior to MP3s. Well, unless you're sampling at 320 or so Kbs, but if you're doing that... then... If you prefer inferior sound quality, for the most part, MP3s are for you. Otherwise....
2) I'm too tired for a rational #2, but this is just off the cuff: how is this REALLY different from the CD samplers that were given out by record stores back in the early/mid-80s? The music is being distributed free of charge to the customers, free of royalty to the artist, free of profit to the record company. What it did do, however, was get the music out there for people to decide whether or not to investigate the artist further and, perchance, purchase a CD.
3) I know NO ONE out there has SA-90s with copies of albums from friends...
I tend to download MP3s to screen for quality, screen for content (do I want my kids listening to this?), screen for listenability... If the artist puts out good stuff, I buy the CD. It may take me a few years, but I will buy it. If it sucks, shift-delete....
Just my $0.02...
It's not a bad selection, but a little limited genre-wise...that's my opinion, though. Still couldn't find Pentagram's "Day of Reckoning," any Sanctuary (that's inexcusible!!!!) or Salem's Lot. Bah.MetalHeadMarc said:
When I ordered Forbidden's "Distortion" back in '95, it was $24 with $11 shipping from Germany. $30 for what I listen to isn't unreasonable, it's expected. That's why I'd better be damned sure that it's not a piece of shit before I pay for it. Enter mp3s.
Looks like someone doesn't have a mortgage, car payment, utilities, student loans, 100-mile commutes, groceries, children, etc. The point you're making is decent enough, but you're making assumptions. The point I'm making, here, is, sure I've got $11 - $40 lying around for a CD or two. I've also got to make the choice between a potentially crappy CD I've heard one song off of, or something equally important that is guaranteed. Once I listened to St. Anger, the most popular expample of late, I realized I didn't need to spend my money on it. The Nevermore album, on the other hand, can't get here soon enough so I can buy it. The problem is, I will be driving close to 240 miles to get it.
You might want to look at this from a different perspective. The music industry needs to be put on notice that charging $15.99 for a CD worth approximately $1 in production costs is crap. Add in the fact that artists make $0.10 on the dollar, if that, and I can't help but feel a little like the record companies may need to get some financial ass-biting in order to stop producing 3,000 bands with zero talent and not promoting the three or four worthwhile bands on their label. I know Century Media is trying to be the next Metal Blade records, or whatever, the promotion of their bands is relatively non-existent. The boy bands in the world, on the other hand, don't even have to blink and they have full-page spreads advertising their drek. Bottom line, to me, until the record companies stop screwing the artists, I'm going directly to the artists to buy the records and the way I find out about the bands is by word-of-mouth and seeing if I can't download a few songs to see what they're like and if they're worth my money.
Well, maybe. Maybe not. Do you think music albums sold better BEFORE? They didn't, really...the statistics generally point to a lack of expected growth. My main reason for not having bought more than 4 CDs over the past 2 years has to do with the fact that there have only been 4 worthwhile CDs released (in my opinion) during that timeframe.
Of the 500 metal CDs in my collection, I can probably count on fingers and toes the ones that were bought after a particularly un-frugal college time. The fact is that it's not a bullshit excuse. It's a reason. An excuse would be saying you can't afford the CD and paying the exact same money on a n equally "frivolous" item. Not having the money isn't an excuse. It's often referred to as priorities. In college, I didn't drink, so I bought CDs...now, I feed my family, so I don't buy CDs. Simple as that.
Here's my food for thought for the morning:
1) cd quality is superior to MP3s. Well, unless you're sampling at 320 or so Kbs, but if you're doing that... then... If you prefer inferior sound quality, for the most part, MP3s are for you. Otherwise....
2) I'm too tired for a rational #2, but this is just off the cuff: how is this REALLY different from the CD samplers that were given out by record stores back in the early/mid-80s? The music is being distributed free of charge to the customers, free of royalty to the artist, free of profit to the record company. What it did do, however, was get the music out there for people to decide whether or not to investigate the artist further and, perchance, purchase a CD.
3) I know NO ONE out there has SA-90s with copies of albums from friends...
I tend to download MP3s to screen for quality, screen for content (do I want my kids listening to this?), screen for listenability... If the artist puts out good stuff, I buy the CD. It may take me a few years, but I will buy it. If it sucks, shift-delete....
Just my $0.02...
theodyssey
Best Album of the Year
Stat's show that music sales are going up... not down. Mp3s are good. Fuck... i never would have spent a dime on nevermore had i not downloaded their shit. Same with the other 193 cds in my collection... none of them would be there without the internet. I firmly believe most metalheads WILL shell out money when they can afford it for a cd or two, and i personally have that luxury (the 193 is from about 2 years of collecting... only one year of which i had a job... i'm 18 btw). Anyway, the point is downloading shit is good. There are a bunch of bands i don't have to waste money on because i heard they were shit. And if metallica looses a few thousand album sales due to downloading because people realized metallica decided to fuck with their real fans... i say good. Fuck metallica, fuck pop, metal will continute to thrive.
edit: just wanted to add the fact that this has gotten away from the point. Regardless of whether or not you believe mp3s are right or wrong, is it really worth jail time and a felony charge???
edit: just wanted to add the fact that this has gotten away from the point. Regardless of whether or not you believe mp3s are right or wrong, is it really worth jail time and a felony charge???
Kon16ov
Super-sized Freak Pie.
Pretty funny, isn't it? The RIAA would have you believe that they're all out on the street, destitute and starving...theodyssey said:
You're right. Sorry about that. The fact is that NO, it's not worth a felony. If they're going to pursue prosecution for downloading music or anything else, for that matter, it would have to be on a per-count basis. Felony larceny (as they are painting it) is usually defined as $2500 in value or greater, isn't it? If this is the case, what monetary value are they placing on the downloaded material? 10 times what? $25. $2500 per song is ludicrous. That's nice clams for a SONG. Are we saying that little Billy who just downloaded the new Blazing Freakshow album -- all 8 tracks -- is guilty of the same "amount" of felony larceny as Evil Timmy who has every album released between 1980 and 2000 burned onto MP3 CDs? If this law gets credence, we're going to lose Billy for 40 years and he'll need to shell out $20K. Evil Timmy should just be put to death, then, since at 5 years per song, he'll have to serve more time than the planet has left before the sun burns itself out.
I find this a highly suspect plot to freak out the kids out there. "Gosh, if I can go to jail for this, and they know who I am, I shouldn't do it!" "Gosh, I wouldn't want my favorite band to go hungry 'cause I downloaded their album." "Gosh, I don't have $2,500 per song on my hard drive."
I guess we'd better clear out all the rapists, murderers and child molesters and make way for all the people who want to know what the new Gizzard Shard album sounds like.
Poison God
I am the Dog
Theli
rebmeM roineS
Wouldn't it be a great shame if the recordcompanies lost some money?
I mean, I heard most of their executives lives in cardboard boxes. Sent there by the greedy hands of teenage kazaa users.
I would say that, based on the shit that is being played on the radio, MTV and pretty much everywhere else, they don't deserve our money.
And now they have started a witchhunt to once again increase profit.
I mean, I heard most of their executives lives in cardboard boxes. Sent there by the greedy hands of teenage kazaa users.
I would say that, based on the shit that is being played on the radio, MTV and pretty much everywhere else, they don't deserve our money.
And now they have started a witchhunt to once again increase profit.
Kon16ov
Super-sized Freak Pie.
You mean so they would stop sponsoring things like "Make the Band" and "Talentless Freaks Get a Record Contract" and that sort of thing? If "major labels" can do that kind of crap, usually over the course of a season on TV...don't know how much that costs but I'm sure that there's an exploited band on the label that isn't seeing too much of their royalties because of it...Theli said:
Makes me want to go back and re-record my country smash hit "Trailer Park Porsche" under a reprised, perhaps thrash-oriented ditty, "Corporate Bastard Cardboard."
That's actually a very apt description, now that you mention it. What's funny is that the liberal democrats seem to be on board and the usually up-with-money Republicans aren't sold on this... It just seems the record companies are trying to "fix" their "problem" without looking at the REAL problem, which is talentless gits being promoted because they look purty.
Theli
rebmeM roineS
Yes, I don't think the record companies are suing mp3 sharers based on sympathy for some unknown underground bands (90% of all metalbands included
).If it was possible to pay the bands and the people who actually worked (and I do mean worked!) on the CD's directly I would gladly pay twice as much as they normally get for one bought CD. And I bet it would be much cheaper.
But I would probably have the police beating down my door after my 5th bought album by then...
Yetti
Active Member
Kon16ov
Super-sized Freak Pie.
It's logical, pretty well thought out and has valid points. <sarcasm>We can't have that around here, now can we?</sarcasm>thebigyetti said:
Space Rabies
Member
The RIAA is full of shit..Sueing people is not the right way but........
People with more than a hundred or so songs on their computer are foolish if they think they are not stealing.
Why would anybody feel the need to look up a CD's playlist, go and DL all the songs, burn the CD, and have themselves a "complete" album. Obvously it's not to sample the band. It's to get out of paying for it. 100% of my friends an family who DL songs do this. I'd be willing to bet that at least 80% of P2P users have done this more than twice.
There has to be a better way..
People with more than a hundred or so songs on their computer are foolish if they think they are not stealing.
Why would anybody feel the need to look up a CD's playlist, go and DL all the songs, burn the CD, and have themselves a "complete" album. Obvously it's not to sample the band. It's to get out of paying for it. 100% of my friends an family who DL songs do this. I'd be willing to bet that at least 80% of P2P users have done this more than twice.
There has to be a better way..
Kon16ov
Super-sized Freak Pie.
It's more than suing -- it's prosecuting under felony larceny. That's not the right way, either.Space Rabies said:
So, clean 'em off the hard drive onto MP3 CDs...
All kidding aside, 90% of the stuff I have in MP3 format, I own, but don't feel like lugging 15 CDs around, so I burn them in MP3 format to a CD and life is much easier. The other 10% is comprised of live stuff, demos, pre-releases and things that have been out of print since the mid-80s if not before. In the case of the pre-releases, it serves as a perfect screening tool. As an example, I knew before it came out I didn't need to purchase St. Anger, because I wouldn't listen to it if I bought it. The second example is I've got the $20 bill tacked to the billboard with a printed picture of the Enemies of Reality cover under it. Guess why? 'cause despite having downloaded it -- it's going to purchased at 9am on the 29th. If I don't just wimp out and preorder it with next day shipping...Ah, when I want to try out a band, I d/l everything I can find of theirs to get a representative sample. This doesn't dispute your argument, as such, but I don't bother with playlists. If I don't end up deleting the band's catalogue from the hard drive, then I go to AllMusic.com and see which albums had the songs I enjoyed and make sure they're still in print. From there, it's off to the usual haunts for finding CDs.
There WAS a better way. Promotional CDs at record stores. Skinnie's in Norfolk, VA was awesome about that. The owner would pull us aside and hand about 5 or 6 tapes/discs in the nice white covers with just band/song titles on them and say, "You dig [xyz], check out these bands -- I think you'll like them." Then, when we came back and tell him which ones we liked, he'd order them, if they weren't already in stock. This is how I found out about Sanctuary, Wrathchild America, Salem's Lot, Destruction, Forbidden, etc. It wasn't that they were getting airplay. It was that the record companies were PROMOTING the bands (remember when labels cared about ALL their artists??) and the record stores weren't into whoring the money makers, but were trying to fit the musical tastes of their customers.
This is getting way long-winded. Guess I do that all the time, don't I?
